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welcome to skeptic Oh where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics

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I'm your host Alex Icarus and I have an

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interview coming up in a minute with

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this gentleman you can see on the screen

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if you're watching his name is Bruce

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Fenton

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and during the interview I'm gonna do my

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best to shoot down his theories I've

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lined up a couple of points but I gotta

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warn you that at the end of the day I'm

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going to probably have to admit that I

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can't and that's a huge problem because

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Bruce Fenton and his wife Daniela claim

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to have done with their research is

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nothing less than crack the code on

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human evolution crack the code on our

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origins and done it in a way that I

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gotta say it will completely upset

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everything you think you know about the

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whole out of Africa thing the Darwin

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thing and even more significantly than

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who we are why are we here thing so like

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I said I'm gonna plow forward I'm gonna

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do my best but I just have to warn you

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your world may shift rather radically

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about an hour an hour and a half from

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now a Bruce welcome to skeptic oh it's

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been so great getting to know you and

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thanks so much for joining thank you sir

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pleasure really looking forward to the

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chat and hopefully everyone gets

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something out of it great well I've been

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leaving up on the screen there's

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Skeptical jeopardy board which is a

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little game I like to play but let me

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back up and maybe you could give us a

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brief bio of you we could go on and on

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it's just an amazing your personal

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experience is amazing on a lot of

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different levels both in terms of what

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you've experienced experienced in the

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way that people talk about experiences

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and strange experiences but also just in

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terms of your

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perience in terms of doing real research

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in interfacing with science and all that

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stuff and then we could get into

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Daniella your wife and some of the

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strangeness of that I I do want to bring

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it back to three books because we're not

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going to specifically talk about these

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books during the show but we're gonna

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pick out pieces so I played a lot on the

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table there to unpack but tell us a

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little bit about who you are and maybe

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what these books are all about yeah I

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mean I in terms of research and an

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interest in I suppose mysterious

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subjects with the ancient mysteries the

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workings of human consciousness you know

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and a lot of other things you know my

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beginnings in that go back to perhaps

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eleven years old I remember having a a

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collection of cards called the ancient

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mysteries of the world set which they

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came free with tea leaves my grandmother

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would buy and she'd give me these cards

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and they they just got me in you know an

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interest in these topics represe like

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crystal skulls pyramids you know lake

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monsters all the strange things that you

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know we're all probably familiar with

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from mysteries and occult and all the

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rest oh well that's pretty well said I

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feel interested but in terms of real

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research I guess probably from about 20

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the literature on particularly ancient

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mysteries it was their lost civilization

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you know that kind of sighted really

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drew me in you know Egypt the pyramids

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etc I mean in terms of my academic

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background I'm an IT grad so not not an

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archaeologist or an anthropologist

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however that that has given me some

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useful skills dealing with information

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and the flow of information but I was in

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a different way and also when we come to

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the matter of DNA you know from an ite

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person's perspective you know we tend to

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look at DNA code you know as code you

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know I know there's some people will

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argue that DNA is not true code but we

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just call it that and I would say it is

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a drew code you know so that's where my

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position also yeah I've done a lot of

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traveling to various strange places

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around the world you know the Science

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caucuses in Georgia to hunt for giant

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bones that was quite a that was quite an

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adventure I've been into the Amazon

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jungle to explore a megalithic complex

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there which is from an unknown culture

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and lots of other things you have Mayan

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sites the pyramids so yeah I've been

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some of the interesting places in the

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world and also delving into the academic

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literature as well so great and you did

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a nice job and we could kind of go on

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and on there about stuff but when people

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read your book what they're gonna find

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is you're really smart guy and you go

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toe to toe with the paleontologist and

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the anthropologist and you crush them

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and you've done your best you know

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you've shown me some of the email

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exchanges you had with some of those

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scientists who some of them are pretty

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nice and they've come to you and I said

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written but it's quite a testament to

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two things one what a single person can

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do how they can make a difference in

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without the quote-unquote proper

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credentials or without you know being

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inside an institution that protects them

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and all that you can still make a

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difference out there and the other thing

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that we'll talk about as part of that is

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just how corrupt but also inept academic

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process that we lean on how doesn't

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serve our purpose doesn't serve us

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answering these deeper questions of who

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are we and why are we here and it's

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failed us over and over again and I

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think your books are evidence of that

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can you give us a just a very brief

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sketch of these three books that I have

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pictured up here on the screen sure yeah

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the the in trafficker book which is in

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the theory my sort of theory of

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evolution this was complete I told The

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Forgotten Exodus the into Africa theory

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of human evolution that book really came

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out of the work I was doing in Ecuador

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when I was exploring this megalithic

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site now seemingly strange but what I

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uncovered was a link to a people called

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de lagoa santa down in Peru

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no they are quite mysterious but they

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seem to be the first Americans and what

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you find is their morphology this skull

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structure resembles out of Aboriginal

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Australians now that was anomalous you

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was fun this incites down in Brazil that

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seems to be around forty fifty thousand

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years old now that's hugely

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controversial I mean as you'll know most

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people know it's been hard enough for

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academics to let go of the Clovis first

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model with with a first arrival of

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modern humans to the Americas around

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13,000 years ago which at this point

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it's overwhelming it stacks up here and

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there absolutely I love what what you

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just said is really important and I'm

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highlight that no matter how much the

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evidence piles up they will not let go

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of that at least a large portion of that

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community will not let go of them it's

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been yeah they've they fought the change

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tooth and nail and even now where it's

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becoming very clear and that they're

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having to acknowledge that there were

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there were some settlements that are

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pre-clovis that they are still resisting

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incorporating the older sites right so

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those recently you may have seen there

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15,000 to 16,000 years old and it Wow

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it's you know one of the earliest sites

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in the Americas well only if you

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disregard a whole list of other sites

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that have been well dated but are just

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too controversial for those those

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skeptical you know conservatives in

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academia who say well no no we can't be

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can't be going straight back to 40,000

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or 50,000 you know 16,000 oh that's

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tolerable just you know just and it's

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amazing they say listed about 3-4 sites

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in this NatGeo article so you know these

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are the early sites and for example

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that the I think's the blue fish caves

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and that was dated to 23,000 years right

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and that was many years back the guy who

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did the dating you know he was a

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laughingstock for years you know his

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colleagues were making fun of him every

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conference it was read ated again recent

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if he 2017 23,000

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is Right confirmed his dates now that

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wasn't even on this list in that gym

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right so that gives you an idea of the

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thinking that's going on still but you

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know we are not gonna put these early

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sights on no matter how many people

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confirm you know that they're genuine

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right and that again preface is like

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what we're gonna talk about that that

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conservatism and that dishonesty really

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in some areas of the academic field

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right that they do know that there's

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these anomalies if you like which the

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only search can be easily be rectified

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by changing models but for now they're

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anomalies in their models and that's

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just one is on but there's others say

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the site's tiny Brazil that are way

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older and there's academics down there

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that have been fighting for a long time

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to get recognition of the true depth of

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antiquity of these sites when the

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problems they struggle with of course is

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that the field is really headed up by

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Europeans and Americans and North

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Americans so if you're an academic from

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enter outside of that you tend to find

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that your work is sidelined right so

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there's as I said I had this

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conversation with son recently the

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ability we have realized that we weren't

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correct on something you know who is

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this we this is the Royal Way of

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European and North American scientists

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right talking down to everyone else

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including other academics who did know

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something and who had perhaps had papers

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on it you know for years but then

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eventually they conceded it oh we didn't

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know and it's apparently over

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academically Chinese academics or

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Russians you know but they're not

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counted in that royal we right so if I'm

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at happens a lot so it's it's

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interesting so let's get see how the

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dynamics of these and fields work well

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it is interesting and you know here we

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and we're still on the first slide and I

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want to get over and talk about these

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other two books because they're really

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the meat of what I was hoping where we

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talk about today but I can't leave that

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already made and I'm going to remake is

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that one you are really doing the work

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archaeological sites really digging into

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the best research and trying to

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Africa book and the other thing you

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point out there is just all the rather

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obvious ways that the sacred truth of

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academia isn't really something we

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should lean on and we have to kind of

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drill that into ourselves and other

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people because we're going to keep it's

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hard to resist the temptation to keep

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coming back and going oh but this is

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what academia says and even if it's a

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counterpoint even it's saying well Bruce

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has done such great job in the face of

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academia at some point we gotta go no

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the whole system is more fake than its

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real you just mentioned the geopolitical

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part of it right so if you're in China

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you might have one agenda if you're

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European you might have another American

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might have another well that's not the

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way it's supposed to work or look at

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money how the money is distributed and

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the grants and you know that's not the

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way it's supposed to work but then take

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an even bigger step back and we've had

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some exchanges about this on the

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skeptical forum and other places is look

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at the it as a control mechanism and if

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you say that there's a social

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engineering social control aspect to all

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of this which anyone has to admit there

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is because any government any agency has

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an interest in controlling stuff that's

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kind of what they do well if you're

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going to control stuff one of the things

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you're going to want to do is control

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this kind of narrative and that doesn't

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mean that you control it on a daily

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basis or you're sticking the screws to

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some archeologists it just means at a

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higher level you're making sure that the

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story goes in a particular way and I

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think that's the other thing that comes

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out of your work as as we look at it

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visa vie the official narrative and it's

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like well of course they're not going to

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be friendly to what you're saying so let

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me shift gears for a minute there and do

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give us a quick overview of these other

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two books that we're going to get into

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oh yes I mean I'm also there's a

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connection

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here because I see inter Africa one of

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the focal points is Australia now and

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you'll find that as a focal point in the

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other books as well

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the reason for that is you know I posit

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that Homo sapiens our story begins in

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Australia and that there's essentially

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couple of waves that come out of there

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you know so this really runs counter of

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course to Out of Africa not necessary

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completely I at the moment the early

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hominins you know most of those fossils

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are in Africa ok but well I'm only - I

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was beginning to the Homo sapiens story

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which is around about 780,000 years ago

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ok so I placed major events in Australia

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I also think this is to do with why we

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have a kind of an information wall

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around this out of Australia because it

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does connect to the other two books

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where we're dealing with what I say is

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obviously a manipulation in the genetics

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of early hominins and this these first

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massive I suppose leap towards true Homo

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sapiens and modern humans it's not

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instantaneous it's not one day we have

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hominids and then we have modern humans

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there is still a process over which

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these genes Express etc very quickly as

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well from the inter Africa I should say

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that this is probably keeping the people

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should looking don't give a quick

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example of why the book is important

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because recently Out of Africa are put

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on those famous models know within

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anthropology that we come out of we come

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out of Africa around about as you depend

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missus I should keep it depending where

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you read this you'll hear that we either

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come out of Africa about 60,000 years

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ago the geneticist right if you do

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genetics it's 60 to 50,000 years ago if

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you go to the archaeologists and

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anthropologists they'll tell you this 70

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to 80 thousand all right there's a

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reason why you'll see that inconsistency

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everywhere across articles magazine

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where you go you're gonna see this that

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depend on here you go to the geneticists

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will say one thing the art or another

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this is two different events there is a

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there's a movement into Africa 73

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thousand years ago from Eurasia and

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there's lots of evidence for this

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there's a movement of culture you know

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it's at first use of arrows there's art

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that emerges all swings new genes and

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then 60,000 years ago you have the

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initial migrate

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into Eurasia and those starting out of

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Australia now I said very quickly

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because that's in couldn't go away and

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look at that you say why would they hide

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that I think there's a there's some kind

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of effort to keep us away from Australia

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and what's going on down there and I

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don't see it and in the earlier waves of

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this again I said there's been

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migrations out of Australia so to a

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preface that that there is something odd

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going on that if I can find that

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inconsistency I'm for academics can so I

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do find that odd that they can't notice

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as definitely two models being most

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together so in in the other book we go

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right back to that beginning of that

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Homo sapiens story and I'm saying that

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you know we have hominins in the area

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and this used to be controversial until

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a couple years ago because it was fought

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there were no hominins down in Oceania

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Australia or even any one that region

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okay but we now know that the islands of

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Indonesia were well populated no

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populated by home erectus and also it

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seems an ancestral form of Homo Florian

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cysts The Hobbit people now this go back

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at least a million years ago right so

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this is before the rise of homo sapiens

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is understood if you can make your way

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across these islands and through what's

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called Wallace's line which is the

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geographic sort of barrier between Asia

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and Australia once you pass that your

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next stop is Australia and there's

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nothing to stop you you know the major

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currents in that area you've already

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you've already crossed them assumably in

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watercraft academics will tell you that

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maybe who got washed along in tsunamis

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which is I think is a ludicrous

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absolutely ludicrous suggestion because

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you know you've got to imagine a whole

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community of people washed off of you

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know the coast of Asia carried across to

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one of these islands without drowning or

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being eaten by sharks or any other and

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all arriving at the same time because to

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make a community you need a whole group

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of people so it's not just one guy

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washed off okay Bruce I want to jump in

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there and break that down a little bit

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further because you got to read these

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books folks that they're just just got

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to read them I don't know how else to

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say it Bruce does a really good job of

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breaking this stuff down and I had to

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take it

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chunk by chunk and then

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reprocess it in some ways and let me do

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that here what you're saying is for a

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community from a genetic standpoint you

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need so many gene pools and these little

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people to survive so some people 50 some

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people say a hundred whatever but yet

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let's say you have to have but the

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difference you have to have 75 humans in

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order to start a new colony and then

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take what you just said the idea that

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the fact that at some academic who's

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getting paid a salary is going to

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conferences and hey you know everyone's

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patting him on the back would suggest

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that well the way that happened is there

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is a giant tsunami so you know we know

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what tsunamis look like we can watch

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them on YouTube truth well that all

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these people together got swept up in a

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tsunami and floated off you know on

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various blogs or whatever together you

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know these great distances it's just

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really kind of a silly proposition this

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is totally absurd because I mean first

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start one of the things we know is that

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tsunamis in open ocean you know they're

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just a ripple you won't really notice

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you should be bobbed up in the air

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briefly right they don't carry you along

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it's not like surfing the tsunami and

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once they hear of course they're so

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destructive that if you're standing on

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the beach and this you know this mega

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tsunami comes enough to wash you know

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your whole community into the water the

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chance to survive in that initial event

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is so low and now you're into what is

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some of those powerful currents in the

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world that move through those Indonesian

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islands which moved to the southwest

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right so why are they going to carry you

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east you know so we have all these these

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problems that you know feel clear onto

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log there's no reason that log will take

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you to the Indonesian islands it will

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carry you off out you know to the

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southwest out into the open ocean so

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it's there's no reason that there's no

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reason that all the other logs or

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different debris are gonna go in the

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same way or behave advice that's right

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it's a ludicrous idea that we have this

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whole community founded in this one

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catastrophe and they all end up on the

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same island here oh yeah if it begs

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believe that this is something that they

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were straight-faced

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state invasion

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conference or on a show you know they

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would tell us that that is their favored

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model rather than just simply saying

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perhaps they had watercraft and and

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again we're maybe I'm guilty of it here

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maybe I'm kind of beating a dead horse

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but I do think we have to grind on that

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because what you're about to do and what

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you're about to tell us is so so hard

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for people to accept I know it is it's

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hard for me to accept it sorry for other

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people we have to continually contrast

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it with just what a load of crap we've

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been fed and it's kind of like you know

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you've thought you've swallowed a load

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of crap you've swallowed a load of crap

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with the Out of Africa thing you've

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swallowed a load of crap with this thing

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that they're floating out there so maybe

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be a little bit more open-minded when

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Bruce says hey I alone doing my own

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little research here in Wales have

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cracked the code and said seven hundred

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and eighty thousand years ago an event

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happened that is really the source of

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all of this stuff and maybe I have

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beaten about dead horse maybe we should

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jump into the the really heart of it and

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start with that seven hundred and eighty

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thousand years because I have to tell

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you from just you've been on the forum

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and we've got a good conversation and

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reviewing this stuff before seven

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hundred eighty thousand years is the

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first thing that jumps out at people

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they go okay wait a minute wait a minute

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okay I've heard these alternative

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evolution origin stories why is this guy

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married to 780 thousand years so what's

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the what's the deal there what's going

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on so let's start there why 780 thousand

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years because this is a big jump off the

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off the cliff alone it isn't you know

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certainly that if you look into even

543
00:22:01,210 --> 00:21:57,230
other alternative models you know where

544
00:22:02,770 --> 00:22:01,220
people have argued for some kind of

545
00:22:04,690 --> 00:22:02,780
event you know that's caused our

546
00:22:06,430 --> 00:22:04,700
evolution you'll find that you know the

547
00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:06,440
dates are different you know I know that

548
00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:09,260
ECT enough as a a popular kind of

549
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:10,430
argument that around four hundred

550
00:22:16,130 --> 00:22:13,970
thousand years ago humans were upgraded

551
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,140
from Homo erectus right by

552
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:18,240
in engineers that wanted them to be

553
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:19,850
slaves you know that's a quite popular

554
00:22:26,060 --> 00:22:22,370
model out there in the fringe world

555
00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:26,070
obviously in the mundane academia those

556
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:28,740
model popular model but so I don't I

557
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:30,450
don't agree with that and I also don't

558
00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:32,850
agree with the with the conventional

559
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,340
model I them now one of the things that

560
00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:37,200
has been long accepted is that around

561
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:41,220
about 800,000 years ago the human brain

562
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:43,290
basically goes into rapid unexpected

563
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:45,570
acceleration now this has been known

564
00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:47,370
since we had a reasonable-sized

565
00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:50,340
collection of fossils it's not new so

566
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:52,830
what was missing from that was why is

567
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:55,050
the thing why does the the cranium

568
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:56,970
suddenly go into this rapid expansion of

569
00:23:00,410 --> 00:22:58,530
course things have changed a little bit

570
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:00,420
now because we have genes you know we

571
00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:02,700
have genetic evidence right which before

572
00:23:08,030 --> 00:23:06,180
we just had the skulls now that's really

573
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:08,040
been crucial like the work I do you

574
00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:09,690
couldn't you couldn't do with you know

575
00:23:14,530 --> 00:23:12,150
what we had I guess on the tape or say

576
00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:14,540
you know 40 years ago or something right

577
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:17,310
because it is in those genes that we can

578
00:23:21,410 --> 00:23:18,840
see you know that something particularly

579
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:21,420
radical happens alongside the brain

580
00:23:29,170 --> 00:23:25,140
expansion right now how did I ever get

581
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,180
to looking at that date though now well

582
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:31,740
let me interrupt again and people hate

583
00:23:36,170 --> 00:23:34,490
when I do this but that's right here.i

584
00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:36,180
one of the things I found really

585
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:38,790
compelling in the book relates to this

586
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,740
graphic you see up on the screen right

587
00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:43,200
and and it relates to the point that you

588
00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:44,820
just made for those people who are

589
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:47,630
interested in the genetics and

590
00:23:51,860 --> 00:23:50,100
interested and are able to make the leap

591
00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:51,870
that you said at the very introduction

592
00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:54,270
to your story is that from an

593
00:24:00,920 --> 00:23:58,140
information processing standpoint that's

594
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:00,930
all DNA is it's all genetics it's about

595
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:03,510
information theory and really that's

596
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:06,210
where the science is gone right so it's

597
00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:08,280
really head in that direction anyway but

598
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:11,100
you make this phenomenal point and it's

599
00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:13,170
good we can almost almost start and

600
00:24:18,530 --> 00:24:15,320
build it from start at the end and then

601
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:18,540
lay it back in but I I have up there

602
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:20,730
it's called chickens and chimps was one

603
00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:22,170
of the categories that I hadn't

604
00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:23,790
sceptical board and I just brought up

605
00:24:29,829 --> 00:24:26,430
the graphic for it and what it shows is

606
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:29,839
this 350 million

607
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,059
year evolution as it looks from a

608
00:24:39,109 --> 00:24:35,940
genetic standpoint the difference

609
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:39,119
between a chicken and a chimpanzee and

610
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:42,539
the difference is is statistically

611
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:44,940
insignificant and then you have the

612
00:24:50,719 --> 00:24:47,849
difference between a chimpanzee and a

613
00:24:53,019 --> 00:24:50,729
human over the last 800,000 years like

614
00:24:58,579 --> 00:24:53,029
you're talking about and it's

615
00:25:01,129 --> 00:24:58,589
unbelievably rich and there you have to

616
00:25:03,099 --> 00:25:01,139
explain that in it better than I did but

617
00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:03,109
also so I want you to really hone in on

618
00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:08,190
how statistically significant that is

619
00:25:14,659 --> 00:25:11,089
getting back to the science standpoint

620
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:14,669
yeah absolutely I mean this was fairly

621
00:25:20,299 --> 00:25:18,450
recent revelations in science as they

622
00:25:22,339 --> 00:25:20,309
found that yes in these in particular

623
00:25:24,259 --> 00:25:22,349
regions of the genetic code and these

624
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:24,269
are always called highly conserved

625
00:25:31,459 --> 00:25:28,529
regions now the why for that is that

626
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:31,469
there are areas of the human code which

627
00:25:35,089 --> 00:25:33,089
if you change them slightly or if

628
00:25:37,249 --> 00:25:35,099
there's a mutation you essentially cause

629
00:25:40,219 --> 00:25:37,259
a failure now that even you'll be you

630
00:25:42,229 --> 00:25:40,229
know born dead or born weird with such

631
00:25:43,849 --> 00:25:42,239
such problems that you probably won't

632
00:25:45,709 --> 00:25:43,859
live a normal life and won't be able to

633
00:25:48,349 --> 00:25:45,719
reproduce you know so these are

634
00:25:50,389 --> 00:25:48,359
catastrophic failures to have mutations

635
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,399
in these areas right so what you'll find

636
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:52,320
is across the animal kingdom there's

637
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:54,419
some areas of the code which remain very

638
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,609
similar between you know pretty much all

639
00:26:00,979 --> 00:25:58,919
species certainly within I guess higher

640
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:00,989
animals so if you take those there

641
00:26:04,369 --> 00:26:02,279
you've got the example the chicken and

642
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:04,379
chimpanzee see that this is slight

643
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:06,570
difference busy free changes over 300

644
00:26:11,539 --> 00:26:09,450
million years of divergent evolution so

645
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:11,549
we know that the the area that we're

646
00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:14,129
dealing with is so in critical to life

647
00:26:19,999 --> 00:26:17,219
that it's extraordinarily rare that a

648
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,009
mutation will happen that's in some way

649
00:26:25,369 --> 00:26:22,440
positive or neutral and will be retained

650
00:26:26,629 --> 00:26:25,379
going forward right so people are sort

651
00:26:28,609 --> 00:26:26,639
of pre share that these are these areas

652
00:26:31,399 --> 00:26:28,619
that don't just keep randomly changing

653
00:26:34,369 --> 00:26:31,409
regularly yep very stable now what we

654
00:26:35,869 --> 00:26:34,379
see here is that since the split that's

655
00:26:37,789 --> 00:26:35,879
happened between chimps and humans which

656
00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:37,799
around 5 million years ago that there's

657
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:40,409
been wild changes and we know that some

658
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:43,380
of these cluster around the time that

659
00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:45,960
that our lineages split Neanderthals and

660
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,750
Denisovans again which is around the 780

661
00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:50,700
thousand years ago so we have a cluster

662
00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:53,190
of these then there are some at other

663
00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:55,590
points there's a cluster that now what

664
00:26:59,419 --> 00:26:57,140
the heck's going on here because we have

665
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,429
leading academics that are examining

666
00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:00,720
these areas is saying well when we do

667
00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:03,630
the maths we find that the the chances

668
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,260
of this happening by any known

669
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:09,360
eeveelution e means is a statistically

670
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:12,450
zero right now that that's a it really

671
00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:15,299
should I should hit anyone you know

672
00:27:18,860 --> 00:27:16,409
think I'll hang on a minute this isn't

673
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,870
Bruce saying this you know this is you

674
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,340
know leading biostatistics you know

675
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,559
working out the numbers and saying that

676
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:24,960
these should not be there you know in

677
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:26,850
all of our models these would not be

678
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:30,000
there yet break that down a little bit I

679
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:31,980
think it's such an important point but

680
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:35,130
my understanding of it is that 300

681
00:27:42,409 --> 00:27:39,390
million years is a long long time a lot

682
00:27:46,399 --> 00:27:42,419
of generations and if those generations

683
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:46,409
don't change don't show any change over

684
00:27:52,220 --> 00:27:49,110
that time then they're really really

685
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:52,230
stable so that becomes your base so all

686
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:54,450
these changes we see on the screen in

687
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,799
pink become much much more significant

688
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:00,600
because you look at that and you go oh

689
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:04,230
well it's just three vs. 18 well it's

690
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:06,650
not that big of a difference but

691
00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:09,480
statistical scale it's the time scale

692
00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:12,030
yeah yeah that there's no way in those

693
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,950
few million years you shouldn't have

694
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:17,039
even had one more change you certainly

695
00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:19,620
shouldn't have about 18 one more would

696
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,030
have been weird you know they would had

697
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:23,580
to scratch their heads or why did that

698
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,059
happen

699
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,159
but to have so many and for them to be

700
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:28,620
successful and in some way beneficial

701
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:29,730
because remember that for them to

702
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,010
persist they must be giving us a benefit

703
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:34,020
right that's the other the other

704
00:28:38,270 --> 00:28:36,570
entities your point for them to persist

705
00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:38,280
at the very least they don't have they

706
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:40,919
shouldn't kill you because recent

707
00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:44,970
changes in those sequence yeah right and

708
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:47,070
the problem is not just one this is a

709
00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:48,870
best is obvious good har1

710
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:51,380
yes the best example of these but

711
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:53,460
essentially there's areas called human

712
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:55,290
accelerated regions because they found

713
00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:57,330
these regions that seem to gone through

714
00:29:01,009 --> 00:28:59,700
even if you process and they found a

715
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:01,019
number them now I think they're up to

716
00:29:05,419 --> 00:29:03,539
hundreds of them right which are

717
00:29:07,609 --> 00:29:05,429
specific to us you know we don't find

718
00:29:09,379 --> 00:29:07,619
them in the other primates they've

719
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:09,389
happened since our split and that

720
00:29:13,489 --> 00:29:11,369
there's hundreds and they're not these

721
00:29:15,859 --> 00:29:13,499
are not genes right this is these are

722
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,869
areas that are related to what's called

723
00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:18,480
them genetic switches these areas that

724
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:21,269
control the expression of genes so let's

725
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:23,070
just say you have a gene that will give

726
00:29:29,479 --> 00:29:26,610
you a certain length of arm right but

727
00:29:31,099 --> 00:29:29,489
there's also switches which for cause

728
00:29:32,779 --> 00:29:31,109
that expression to make you have a

729
00:29:34,849 --> 00:29:32,789
longer arm shorter arm you can even turn

730
00:29:35,239 --> 00:29:34,859
off the gene right which gives you that

731
00:29:37,580 --> 00:29:35,249
arm

732
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:37,590
so with these switches you can do so

733
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,179
let's say if you were engineering

734
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:41,220
something and you understood these areas

735
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,980
you could do remarkable things you know

736
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:46,320
you can recreate an organism by

737
00:29:50,419 --> 00:29:48,659
modifying all of these switches okay so

738
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,429
you're not adding in genes or taking out

739
00:29:54,859 --> 00:29:52,559
genes not at that stage you're just

740
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,869
playing with these switches right but

741
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,220
yeah you can do extraordinary things but

742
00:30:01,009 --> 00:29:58,919
if we were to try and do that today it

743
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:01,019
would be impossible we do not understand

744
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,570
the science well enough and I said we

745
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:05,220
would end up just killing the organism

746
00:30:08,869 --> 00:30:06,809
if we make one of these changes hoping

747
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:08,879
for the best it's almost certain it will

748
00:30:13,879 --> 00:30:10,710
die because we know that in 300 million

749
00:30:16,879 --> 00:30:13,889
years only free were successful so our

750
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:16,889
chances of just stumbling on one you

751
00:30:22,249 --> 00:30:18,779
know as our stage in genetic engineering

752
00:30:25,099 --> 00:30:22,259
is minuscule right and yet we see these

753
00:30:28,609 --> 00:30:25,109
huge number sixes okay can they be

754
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:28,619
natural well as far as we know right now

755
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:31,230
there's no natural mechanism which

756
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:34,919
explains this so the default in that

757
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:38,129
then it can it be unnatural and I said

758
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:40,289
yes of course it can as long as there is

759
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:41,609
something ie

760
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:44,730
intelligence somewhere which is able to

761
00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:46,529
modify this deliberately we don't really

762
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:49,409
have a lot of other choices here because

763
00:30:53,629 --> 00:30:51,480
the academics are telling us you know

764
00:30:56,659 --> 00:30:53,639
this is zero percent chance from what we

765
00:30:58,849 --> 00:30:56,669
understand so what else can it be you

766
00:31:02,570 --> 00:30:58,859
know now supposing well if you just left

767
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:02,580
to you know alien engineers well no I

768
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:04,409
mean I have other reasons why I go down

769
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,289
that route but there is implicitly a

770
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:09,840
need for a solution to these areas and I

771
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:10,810
say hundreds of air

772
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:13,930
the human yet DNA code and we should add

773
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:18,130
that from a kind of logic reasons in

774
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:21,940
science theory of science standpoint it

775
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:24,520
doesn't really matter how you develop

776
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:27,730
your theory what matters is your testing

777
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:30,310
of that theory right so in a minute

778
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:32,530
we're gonna talk about how you even

779
00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:35,770
decided to look at 780 thousand years

780
00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:37,750
ago and if we look at the history of

781
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:39,670
science that there's plenty of cases

782
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:42,630
where people had a dream right

783
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:46,600
four all the way from Einstein to Mozart

784
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:48,490
in a different area but yeah that's all

785
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,290
over the place that people are accessing

786
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:53,440
some other aspect of consciousness and

787
00:31:59,250 --> 00:31:56,530
get inspiration so your inspiration

788
00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:59,260
let's talk about this book that we have

789
00:32:03,150 --> 00:32:01,480
there and and as that as a starting

790
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:03,160
point but what we'll want to emphasize

791
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:05,110
don't lose track here this guy is

792
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:07,870
science all the way so he's like he can

793
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:09,370
develop a theory but then he's very

794
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:12,730
rigorous about testing that theory yeah

795
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:14,740
I mean you could have I guess this way

796
00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:17,260
this there's plenty of religious people

797
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:19,720
in the sciences right for example you

798
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:20,950
know they're able to understand that

799
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:22,570
they have their religious faith perhaps

800
00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:24,730
their religious experiences but they can

801
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:27,160
also go to their day job right and do

802
00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:30,250
hard science so so if owner says there's

803
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:32,620
a contrast how can you be this kind of

804
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:36,670
esoteric thinker or mystic and yet be

805
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:38,400
concerned with hard science well there's

806
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:40,540
thousands and thousands of scientists

807
00:32:44,670 --> 00:32:42,010
that are doing that every day right

808
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:44,680
there putting their their belief in a

809
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:47,110
pantheon of gods to one side while they

810
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:49,570
do their lab work right so so that

811
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:51,010
shouldn't be increasingly a problem some

812
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:52,450
people find a problem but it shouldn't

813
00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:54,910
be because we should be used to that now

814
00:33:00,210 --> 00:32:57,340
the way it happened in this case is that

815
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:00,220
yeah I read this book and I'll trigger

816
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:01,750
when the first ancestor were created

817
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:03,940
came to me through a connection or a

818
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:07,690
australian from the new the book right

819
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,160
so they sort of mentioned it to me

820
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:10,480
because of some other experiences

821
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:12,700
personal experiences that I'd had which

822
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:14,530
made it relevant metaphysical

823
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:18,340
experiences and so I read this really

824
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:20,590
those parts of it that really grabs me

825
00:33:24,509 --> 00:33:22,840
particularly there was there's a

826
00:33:26,699 --> 00:33:24,519
description of its

827
00:33:27,989 --> 00:33:26,709
crafts coming to this planet you know in

828
00:33:29,729 --> 00:33:27,999
the distant distant past

829
00:33:31,109 --> 00:33:29,739
it says towards nine hundred thousand

830
00:33:33,419 --> 00:33:31,119
years ago so it's not doing the exact

831
00:33:35,969 --> 00:33:33,429
date that I will argue for and I've come

832
00:33:38,459 --> 00:33:35,979
to that but it's you know

833
00:33:41,549 --> 00:33:38,469
well far back in that period and that

834
00:33:43,769 --> 00:33:41,559
this craft is basically destroyed

835
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,779
there's a few survives that come from it

836
00:33:47,399 --> 00:33:45,279
there's obviously a longer backstory to

837
00:33:49,349 --> 00:33:47,409
this there's some of them survived they

838
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:49,359
come down to the planet now one of the

839
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:50,320
reason why this really grabbed me is

840
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:52,450
that many years ago going back to that

841
00:34:00,239 --> 00:33:56,049
2001 I had a shamanic journey you know

842
00:34:03,209 --> 00:34:00,249
in which I saw events which were very

843
00:34:04,859 --> 00:34:03,219
much paralleled to this so so when I

844
00:34:05,999 --> 00:34:04,869
have you know put the two things

845
00:34:08,549 --> 00:34:06,009
together mean this book I'm thinking

846
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:08,559
gladly reminds me of from the visionary

847
00:34:12,029 --> 00:34:10,450
experiences I had years ago you know

848
00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:12,039
these beings in these uniforms is

849
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:14,349
described in a craft coming towards a

850
00:34:18,779 --> 00:34:16,450
things I've seen in that vision which at

851
00:34:20,789 --> 00:34:18,789
the time meant nothing to me and I'd put

852
00:34:22,379 --> 00:34:20,799
it away for years and years being you

853
00:34:24,299 --> 00:34:22,389
know just one of those things a strange

854
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:24,309
experience that you have no context for

855
00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:26,529
now certainly I had context you know

856
00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:28,750
book telling you oh well this happened

857
00:34:32,339 --> 00:34:30,220
and this happened in this time and you

858
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:32,349
can recognize that yes this seems to be

859
00:34:35,579 --> 00:34:33,510
very similar

860
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,589
now what was important at least we said

861
00:34:39,809 --> 00:34:37,839
not into it lay out details of this

862
00:34:43,069 --> 00:34:39,819
craft you know roughly when it arrived

863
00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:43,079
how it's destroyed what it's made of the

864
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:44,919
potential kind of debris that would be

865
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:47,230
left but also other events in there

866
00:34:51,299 --> 00:34:48,609
which could be tracked you know a

867
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:51,309
bombardment of asteroids a few years

868
00:34:57,059 --> 00:34:53,470
later five years after this explosion

869
00:34:59,549 --> 00:34:57,069
and a description of the creating of the

870
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,559
first Homo sapiens all clustered

871
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:01,839
together right in in a temporal space

872
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:05,650
and in a physical place so I'm thinking

873
00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:08,500
well if if this is true and that the

874
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:10,270
author says look although she feels it's

875
00:35:13,710 --> 00:35:11,529
true at the end she says I'm not

876
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:13,720
providing you science you know if you

877
00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:15,190
believe it you believe it if you don't

878
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,020
you don't and she's quite honest about

879
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:18,880
that she doesn't say you know you must

880
00:35:23,549 --> 00:35:21,910
believe my you know my book because

881
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,559
she's aware that she doesn't do what I

882
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:25,420
do and go away and get you know

883
00:35:31,799 --> 00:35:28,750
scientific evidence she leaves it as it

884
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:31,809
is now I should clarify how did she get

885
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:35,920
this story right and the way I would

886
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:38,530
interpret it and you can be interpreted

887
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:40,150
but I'm gonna trip it in a well it's a

888
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:43,080
scientific way right that there is an

889
00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:45,790
artifact which comes into her possession

890
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:48,340
an Aboriginal sacred artifact called a

891
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:52,570
true ringa Linga stone now the law

892
00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:54,610
around these artifacts is that they go

893
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:56,200
back to the original ones go back to the

894
00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:57,940
dream time when the first humans were

895
00:36:01,740 --> 00:35:59,740
created when a lot of the landscape was

896
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,750
created when there was these these

897
00:36:04,350 --> 00:36:03,760
beings that walk the earth they called

898
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:04,360
these phone

899
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:07,390
this sky heroes or dreaming beings who

900
00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:09,730
walked the earth right and that they did

901
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:12,120
all these amazing things now

902
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:14,680
can I just clarify first thing so you're

903
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:18,130
saying if you go to certain aboriginal

904
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:21,010
groups in australia and say what are

905
00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:23,890
these things they'll say exactly would

906
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:25,840
you just sit here yes and that they that

907
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:28,510
they have within them the consciousness

908
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:31,330
of dreaming beings from that dream time

909
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:34,570
right outer Inga beings okay so you have

910
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:37,720
an artifact which in its own law says it

911
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:42,220
has an inhabiting consciousness of some

912
00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:45,460
kind of entity from the time when humans

913
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:47,950
were created that's in their law right

914
00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:49,930
so that's long before I've come around I

915
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:51,400
don't you know I'm not involved in

916
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:53,830
making that up or or claiming that it

917
00:36:56,330 --> 00:36:55,690
simply is the Aboriginal law for these

918
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,340
artifacts

919
00:37:00,660 --> 00:36:58,240
now when you really think about that

920
00:37:01,950 --> 00:37:00,670
that that can be put into a spiritual

921
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,960
context which they have which is you

922
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:03,280
know these spirit beings in these

923
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:05,290
artifacts but let's put that another way

924
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:06,790
now let's say that there was a

925
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:09,340
visitation to this planet in remote

926
00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:12,010
prehistory and that the beings left

927
00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:14,500
behind technologies that we cannot

928
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:16,060
understand technologies that would be

929
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:18,790
essentially unrecognizable to us because

930
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:21,700
they're so advanced and disguised in

931
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:23,590
such a way is that for us they don't

932
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:25,690
look like much looked like maybe like

933
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:26,950
they say maybe look like a rock or it

934
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:29,050
looks like just you know this artifact

935
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:31,180
is they they know it's very special they

936
00:37:34,530 --> 00:37:32,590
know it can communicate with them it has

937
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,540
a consciousness so in their way of

938
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:36,720
looking at it's a spirit being right but

939
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:39,910
could this not be exactly what we would

940
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:42,430
call a Bracewell probe because the

941
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:45,670
Bracewell probe essentially is very

942
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:49,300
advanced AI technology which can be sent

943
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:51,880
out to other worlds it is theorized

944
00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:52,450
within

945
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:54,790
NASA papers that they you can send out

946
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:55,960
these things and they will act as

947
00:38:01,800 --> 00:37:58,210
sentinels which will sit on a planet

948
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:01,810
wait for a civilization to arise you're

949
00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:03,670
monitoring tracking the whole time

950
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:05,830
and then at a certain point these things

951
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:08,860
could be programmed to activate and make

952
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:12,790
contact with the civilization now in

953
00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:14,260
this instance we seems to be exactly

954
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,300
what we have that's happened this this

955
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:18,400
artifact this inhabiting consciousness

956
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:20,890
which I would say could be an AI it may

957
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:23,320
not be a being in the way that we think

958
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,940
about it but again then you come into a

959
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:26,800
philosophical thing there is a hard a I

960
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:30,250
this self-aware is it a being I think

961
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:34,210
maybe you also come into the really the

962
00:38:39,390 --> 00:38:37,230
spiritual in a broader sense

963
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,400
understanding of it because I think we

964
00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:41,820
do get locked into our space-time

965
00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:44,140
reality and everything has to fit into

966
00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:46,540
that you know we do have to incorporate

967
00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:48,460
in your shamanic journey we do have to

968
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:51,580
incorporate in your dream experiences

969
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,590
Daniela's dream experiences and the

970
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:54,880
reason I say that is because I've had a

971
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,890
bunch of people have tried to explore

972
00:38:59,880 --> 00:38:58,720
that stuff scientifically do mediums

973
00:39:01,920 --> 00:38:59,890
really talk to the dead does

974
00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:01,930
consciousness really survive death yes

975
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:02,920
yes yes yes

976
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:06,090
okay so I'm not shooting down the a

977
00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:09,610
thing but until we can understand the

978
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,580
larger extended consciousness reality we

979
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:15,280
don't really know but your speculation

980
00:39:20,970 --> 00:39:18,760
is fair because which are connecting it

981
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:20,980
to is that hey that's what these people

982
00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:23,620
say it is and you had this experience

983
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:26,620
with it and you it connected you with

984
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:29,470
your past experience and then the real

985
00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:32,020
story is you said let me see if I can

986
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:35,560
prove it absolutely yeah that point it

987
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,910
can be ambiguous it doesn't matter if

988
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:39,280
it's a spirit living in a pin a rock or

989
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,910
if it's an AI in a probe right there'll

990
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:44,560
be people you'll get hung up on that one

991
00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:46,180
or the other but as you should point out

992
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:48,580
there what really matters is is what

993
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,240
it's telling us valid you're right so it

994
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:54,160
doesn't matter you know it can be either

995
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:56,140
and it may be they're the same thing but

996
00:40:00,090 --> 00:39:57,610
just from different cultural you know

997
00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:00,100
and filters that the spirit being or the

998
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:02,260
alien AI maybe they're the same thing

999
00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:03,940
you know I don't know but I can let

1000
00:40:07,859 --> 00:40:06,220
other people side for themselves which

1001
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:07,869
one fits into their worldview right

1002
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:09,700
because I'm not gonna arbitrate that for

1003
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:12,190
people but what matters for me is the

1004
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,369
information again so we have this this

1005
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:17,920
object which communicates through voice

1006
00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:19,810
to skull which again that could be

1007
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:21,550
technological we have voice to scold to

1008
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:23,800
technologies or it could be metaphysical

1009
00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:26,320
could be telepathy you know again things

1010
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:28,660
are ambiguous right could be both right

1011
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:30,670
it could be both what matters is we know

1012
00:40:34,859 --> 00:40:32,230
that the both of those things exist

1013
00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:34,869
technological voice - skull metaphysical

1014
00:40:37,859 --> 00:40:37,420
voice tsk oh okay so I don't mind which

1015
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:37,869
one it was

1016
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,180
this object communicates information

1017
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:42,880
directly into Valerie burrows head it

1018
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:45,220
gives her this whole story of you know

1019
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:46,630
what's happened and again this is quite

1020
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:48,940
funny because very recently I I think

1021
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:50,650
isn't a John keel book he talks about

1022
00:40:53,849 --> 00:40:52,090
something called the The Dark Knight the

1023
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:53,859
Black Knight satellite this is

1024
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:55,720
supposedly that they years ago they just

1025
00:40:59,940 --> 00:40:56,770
take the satellite orbit around this

1026
00:41:02,310 --> 00:40:59,950
planet right some and he theorized maybe

1027
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,320
at some point it would provide a lost

1028
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:04,480
history of our planet now that's kind of

1029
00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:05,770
funny because it's exactly what this

1030
00:41:10,589 --> 00:41:08,320
this object does yeah exactly is this

1031
00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:10,599
story of the Black Knight satellite that

1032
00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:11,800
there's some alien probe which has

1033
00:41:17,339 --> 00:41:14,260
recorded our story and is at some point

1034
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:17,349
able to then relay it to us and that's

1035
00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:19,330
what if they basically downloads the

1036
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:22,900
entire lost history of our early origins

1037
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:24,820
telling us that you know this craft

1038
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:28,080
arrives initially plans for a

1039
00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:30,730
colonization event they are genetically

1040
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,260
engineering themselves to live on the

1041
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:33,760
planet which is very reasonable stuff

1042
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:35,170
because you think about they they can't

1043
00:41:38,339 --> 00:41:37,089
just live on the planet they're not

1044
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,349
suited but they're using their own

1045
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:40,480
technology to modify themselves to live

1046
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:43,770
here now unfortunately there is a

1047
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:46,450
complex exopolitical event they see a

1048
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:49,390
portrayal by some people on board and to

1049
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:51,250
another party there's at that time in

1050
00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:52,180
control of this planet

1051
00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:53,320
there's supposed to be a handover

1052
00:41:56,820 --> 00:41:56,320
instead there's an ambush this ship is

1053
00:42:00,300 --> 00:41:56,830
destroyed

1054
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:00,310
it's a vast kilometer diameter quartz

1055
00:42:04,349 --> 00:42:02,530
crystalline ship grown from living

1056
00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:04,359
crystal is how they describe it's not

1057
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:07,869
built it's grown and is inhabited by its

1058
00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:11,050
own AI within the frame of the craft but

1059
00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:13,420
first you'd think ok crystals whoo you

1060
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:15,400
know but hang on a minute what are the

1061
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:16,900
leading edge science is telling us that

1062
00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:19,330
the future of conscious is uploading

1063
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:20,080
into vah

1064
00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:22,750
silicon networks right so we have this

1065
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:25,900
enormous silicon network within which is

1066
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,390
the crew yeah so the ultimate computer

1067
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:29,680
you don't have the computer onboard the

1068
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,170
craft the craft is the computer imagine

1069
00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:34,720
the the processing power of a kilometer

1070
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:35,860
diameter

1071
00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:38,290
you know moonlight craft which is

1072
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:40,780
inhabited by AI so it's fantastical

1073
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:42,790
technologies magical technologies so

1074
00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:45,910
let's let's chunk this down for a second

1075
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:48,280
again well I know yeah I mean I I don't

1076
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:51,670
know to stop you or to just kind of let

1077
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:55,450
it go because I love all the the either

1078
00:42:59,640 --> 00:42:57,490
deeper stuff that we could get into in

1079
00:43:02,610 --> 00:42:59,650
all this but just let me bring it back

1080
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:02,620
up to speed so Valerie has this download

1081
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:05,530
and I say download because in the UFO

1082
00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:09,130
community we hear that all the time in

1083
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:11,980
the nbe near-death experience community

1084
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,760
we hear that all the time that I reach

1085
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:18,640
this extended consciousness realm and I

1086
00:43:24,990 --> 00:43:22,330
got a download in instantaneous like

1087
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:25,000
excitement cyclopædia Britannica which

1088
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:27,310
is so outdated but take Wikipedia

1089
00:43:32,970 --> 00:43:30,430
Wikipedia was suddenly just boom popped

1090
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:32,980
into my head and I knew the answer to

1091
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:35,290
everything I'm not saying that Valerie

1092
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:37,630
said this I'm saying this concept of

1093
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:42,700
download is well reported over and over

1094
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:44,140
again in a number of different

1095
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,910
communities like the UFO abduction

1096
00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:48,400
community and the NDE community so

1097
00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:51,340
valerie has such a download and then

1098
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:53,590
just to recap the download says hey

1099
00:44:00,420 --> 00:43:55,530
here's how you guys came into existence

1100
00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:00,430
there's this huge UFO and it came

1101
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:03,100
through this portal that you can point

1102
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:05,110
to the Pleiades and that's not really it

1103
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:06,670
just kind of came through there that was

1104
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:09,700
like the stuff in the subway system and

1105
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:12,490
it's over here and boom it was there and

1106
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:14,590
then it somehow got destroyed and

1107
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:16,990
because there was this war between the

1108
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:22,270
planet yeah it's really crazy yep well

1109
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:24,010
as you say well no is necessarily

1110
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,330
Compton I mean I know people probably

1111
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:27,520
like it to be a simple narrative without

1112
00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:30,100
you know a back story of betrayed ships

1113
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:33,340
and alien alliances and but if that's

1114
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:33,920
what's out there

1115
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:37,369
there's if it's weird and strange and

1116
00:44:41,770 --> 00:44:39,710
it's alien well it should be weird and

1117
00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:41,780
strange Dory for a start right because

1118
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:45,109
you know it's an alien story right so

1119
00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:47,390
again I think there's something another

1120
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:49,430
point some people jump to is say well

1121
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:50,990
you said they come from the Pleiades oh

1122
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,750
the Pleiades are a young stars cloud you

1123
00:44:57,579 --> 00:44:56,000
know there's no way advanced life could

1124
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,589
have formed there well there's two

1125
00:45:01,539 --> 00:44:59,599
problems firstly they don't say they

1126
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,549
live there right that they've traveled

1127
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:04,160
from there from a gateway doesn't mean

1128
00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:06,440
that their worlds are in there this is

1129
00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:08,390
multiple types of beings so we can

1130
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:09,619
assume that they come from various

1131
00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:11,690
worlds in various places but they're

1132
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:13,940
their last jumping-off point through

1133
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:16,190
this wormhole is the Pleiades secondly

1134
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:17,630
we don't know what kinds of life are out

1135
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:19,970
there I mean are there life-forms that

1136
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:22,250
live in these nebulous gas clouds within

1137
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:24,950
you know these young stars we don't know

1138
00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:27,190
that's a that's truthfully we don't I

1139
00:45:31,569 --> 00:45:29,000
suspect that the Pleiades may be

1140
00:45:33,849 --> 00:45:31,579
entirely a manufactured cloud just to

1141
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:33,859
power their Stargate I don't know but

1142
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:35,480
who knows when you start dealing with

1143
00:45:39,849 --> 00:45:37,910
say you know type free civilizations who

1144
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:39,859
it is fear ice they can you know move

1145
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:42,140
Suns around and all sorts of so we have

1146
00:45:46,359 --> 00:45:44,569
to be careful at the limitations that we

1147
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:46,369
would artificially put on what

1148
00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:48,950
essentially I was god-like technologies

1149
00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:51,380
right we're you know it's it's it's so

1150
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,680
far ahead for us that it just sounds

1151
00:45:59,950 --> 00:45:57,920
ludicrous right but if you look at our

1152
00:46:02,319 --> 00:45:59,960
cutting-edge fingers in these Sciences

1153
00:46:04,510 --> 00:46:02,329
the kind of things that this download

1154
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:04,520
includes are the things that they're

1155
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,670
telling us they imagine advanced alien

1156
00:46:11,289 --> 00:46:09,920
civilizations having right so there's a

1157
00:46:13,569 --> 00:46:11,299
consistency that and again a lot of

1158
00:46:15,549 --> 00:46:13,579
these things have come out only recently

1159
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:15,559
these ideas when Valerie wrote this book

1160
00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:18,170
back in my experiences back in the early

1161
00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:19,940
90s but she wrote that she published

1162
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,220
book in 2003 a lot of these things which

1163
00:46:26,349 --> 00:46:24,319
one might hear weren't even out in you

1164
00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:26,359
know in the conversation in the media

1165
00:46:30,609 --> 00:46:28,280
this a lot of this stuff is quite recent

1166
00:46:32,109 --> 00:46:30,619
these ideas she certainly I can't see

1167
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,119
how she could been aware if he's like

1168
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:34,160
voice to scull technologies or or that

1169
00:46:37,059 --> 00:46:35,450
you know uploading consciousness to

1170
00:46:40,569 --> 00:46:37,069
silicon networks these really are kind

1171
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:40,579
of cutting edge ideas right now so we

1172
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,230
can figure out whether they lived in the

1173
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:44,720
Pleiades I don't think they did but I

1174
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:46,670
certainly isn't you know a reason to

1175
00:46:51,130 --> 00:46:47,599
dismiss it

1176
00:46:52,689 --> 00:46:51,140
okay then we have of course yeah this

1177
00:46:54,699 --> 00:46:52,699
would I say is it a logical explanation

1178
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:54,709
you know not only that the craft is now

1179
00:46:58,959 --> 00:46:56,690
to AI cetera that's why is crystalline

1180
00:46:59,979 --> 00:46:58,969
makes sense but also we have yeah and

1181
00:47:01,539 --> 00:46:59,989
they were going to genetically engineer

1182
00:47:05,049 --> 00:47:01,549
themselves they have those technologies

1183
00:47:07,089 --> 00:47:05,059
make sense hold on hold on because it

1184
00:47:08,799 --> 00:47:07,099
doesn't it doesn't make sense right to a

1185
00:47:12,579 --> 00:47:08,809
lot of people it doesn't make sense

1186
00:47:15,489 --> 00:47:12,589
their their mind is blown but Bruce has

1187
00:47:19,299 --> 00:47:15,499
done some science here that is in the

1188
00:47:22,479 --> 00:47:19,309
make sense kind of category like I have

1189
00:47:25,749 --> 00:47:22,489
the board up here and you know chickens

1190
00:47:27,729 --> 00:47:25,759
and chimps we already talked about but

1191
00:47:30,249 --> 00:47:27,739
you know I think a lot of people will

1192
00:47:33,699 --> 00:47:30,259
say that makes sense Bruce that's a

1193
00:47:35,890 --> 00:47:33,709
strong argument and you bring us to 780

1194
00:47:38,589 --> 00:47:35,900
thousand years ago in a way that makes

1195
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:38,599
me scratch my head and say yeah that is

1196
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,910
kind of strange you got a couple of

1197
00:47:46,529 --> 00:47:42,079
other ones in here buddy

1198
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:46,539
that I don't know but it is just too

1199
00:47:52,089 --> 00:47:50,170
crazy I mean do you want to talk about

1200
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:52,099
tektites do you want to talk about

1201
00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:54,380
tractor beam where do you want to go I'm

1202
00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:55,640
in the Czech toys because that is

1203
00:48:01,809 --> 00:47:57,160
relating to the ship that we've already

1204
00:48:05,259 --> 00:48:01,819
already discussed go just what are they

1205
00:48:08,979 --> 00:48:05,269
and why is this like even a thing

1206
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:08,989
sure now tektites are basically formed

1207
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:11,930
by extreme events you know extreme like

1208
00:48:15,579 --> 00:48:13,369
there's a couple thank you for the map

1209
00:48:19,209 --> 00:48:15,589
see there's been a number of these a

1210
00:48:22,449 --> 00:48:19,219
small number on this map we can see

1211
00:48:26,019 --> 00:48:22,459
there's been four major tech type events

1212
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,029
you've got one over in in Africa you've

1213
00:48:30,370 --> 00:48:28,400
got another one over in Europe and

1214
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:30,380
you've got one off in North America

1215
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,849
let's just make sure people understand

1216
00:48:36,489 --> 00:48:34,400
these are these are meteorites in your

1217
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:36,499
impact yeah these are particular kinds

1218
00:48:40,689 --> 00:48:38,930
of impacts now I say the tick looks with

1219
00:48:42,430 --> 00:48:40,699
we only have four of these tech type

1220
00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:42,440
strewn fields so there is something

1221
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:45,499
pleasantly strange and you know

1222
00:48:50,259 --> 00:48:48,380
anomalous about tektite strewn fields

1223
00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:50,269
because we know this planet has been hit

1224
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:53,660
by many many Meads frights asteroids you

1225
00:48:58,209 --> 00:48:55,430
know even comets if you go through the

1226
00:49:00,400 --> 00:48:58,219
whole 4.5 million years right we've been

1227
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:00,410
we've been whacked a lot of times but

1228
00:49:03,490 --> 00:49:01,490
the strange thing is we

1229
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:03,500
four of these strewn fields where we got

1230
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:06,200
these these small pieces of material

1231
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:07,940
that have been melted

1232
00:49:12,430 --> 00:49:09,530
they've been shaped usually into either

1233
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:12,440
dumbbell shapes teardrop shapes or small

1234
00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:15,410
spheres and these are molten you know

1235
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:17,720
usually molten rock from both the object

1236
00:49:22,030 --> 00:49:20,270
and from the the area itself has been

1237
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:22,040
impacted by which are melted these out

1238
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:24,410
these are really really really weird

1239
00:49:28,359 --> 00:49:26,630
these are unique in these one that are

1240
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:28,369
unique couple of different ways and the

1241
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:30,050
other thing about that chart that when I

1242
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:31,940
went and looked that I didn't

1243
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:34,520
immediately get is if you just go like I

1244
00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:36,530
went to the University of Texas and they

1245
00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:37,820
got this nice website and they talked

1246
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:39,740
about it tektites and they go hey they

1247
00:49:45,310 --> 00:49:43,220
happen from five million years ago to a

1248
00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:45,320
million years ago you know and I'm like

1249
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:47,900
hey what's Bruce talking about man these

1250
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,330
things in but now you dig the next layer

1251
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:52,880
like you just did that's not really a

1252
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:56,450
very meaningful way of telling the story

1253
00:50:01,720 --> 00:49:59,450
what is the real meaning is that hey

1254
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:01,730
these these particular kind of very

1255
00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:05,680
unique meteorites that have this kind of

1256
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,380
like outs fast-food or a snack food kind

1257
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,359
of core in the middle of one thing and

1258
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:13,119
another thing that melted on the outside

1259
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:17,330
really that they're only four separate

1260
00:50:22,090 --> 00:50:19,850
events that are separated by millions

1261
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:22,100
and millions of years and the one that's

1262
00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:24,650
really the most interesting jumps out

1263
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:26,600
even when you just look at ya on the map

1264
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:29,240
fifty lumps and what's the what's the

1265
00:50:34,090 --> 00:50:31,460
dating on that and that was a seven

1266
00:50:36,220 --> 00:50:34,100
hundred eighty thousand years and that's

1267
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,230
fast the thing we know when I went away

1268
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,480
to look up you know was there any

1269
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:40,880
material that matched the description of

1270
00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:43,580
this craft breaking up you know that

1271
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:45,560
this this crystalline this course

1272
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:47,890
crystalline craft you know huge

1273
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:50,450
supposedly carried around 50,000 beings

1274
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:52,070
on boards was an enormous thing right

1275
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:53,990
then it broke up he's described that it

1276
00:50:58,570 --> 00:50:56,270
came up I came apart melted it was a

1277
00:51:00,190 --> 00:50:58,580
high-temperature event the energy

1278
00:51:02,620 --> 00:51:00,200
weapons that were used cause it to

1279
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:02,630
shatter those resonance frequencies and

1280
00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:04,609
heating so he's like shattering apart

1281
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,190
exploded and it was a nuclear type

1282
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:08,960
explosion at the end and that then

1283
00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:11,390
material rained down far and wide and

1284
00:51:14,670 --> 00:51:13,190
this is described in this download right

1285
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:14,680
so for well

1286
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,900
could it be that any of this melted you

1287
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:18,880
know raining material could it survive

1288
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:20,950
to the present because we're not talking

1289
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:22,690
about you know iron or something that

1290
00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:24,130
would have just rusted away right

1291
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:26,830
because it's a silica there's the chance

1292
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:28,810
to be persisting for a very long time in

1293
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:32,110
the geological records now if I went

1294
00:51:35,070 --> 00:51:33,190
away and I've looked my foot well

1295
00:51:37,110 --> 00:51:35,080
probably I wouldn't find anything right

1296
00:51:38,610 --> 00:51:37,120
so you know you dust be quite lucky the

1297
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:38,620
Eva this is real event you know you'd

1298
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,970
have to be quite lucky that something

1299
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:41,920
has been found it's been analyzed you

1300
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:44,740
know and it matches up and so I was

1301
00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:45,790
quite astonished to find that there was

1302
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:49,150
a 100 year long mystery around this

1303
00:51:53,220 --> 00:51:50,950
material could australoid tech type and

1304
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:53,230
then you know I guess a lot geologists

1305
00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:54,430
and chemists stuff will know this he's

1306
00:51:58,410 --> 00:51:56,830
been studied by NASA you know I hadn't

1307
00:52:00,300 --> 00:51:58,420
pervy heard of it you know I guess a lot

1308
00:52:02,550 --> 00:52:00,310
of the listeners maybe haven't either

1309
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,560
right and what you find is that there's

1310
00:52:07,380 --> 00:52:04,720
been this a long-standing Arden over how

1311
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:07,390
it formed because it's quite unlike the

1312
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:10,510
other free tech type fields right again

1313
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:13,240
they are rare enough but out on its own

1314
00:52:18,540 --> 00:52:16,180
is this vast Australoid field which

1315
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:18,550
doesn't even doesn't even resemble the

1316
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,170
other stream field and he's just so

1317
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:22,720
enormous you know it comes from like 10%

1318
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,930
of the planet's surface right and it's

1319
00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:27,520
not shaped in the way that we spec from

1320
00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:29,140
an impact which just froze out debris

1321
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:30,340
you know into a fairly omnidirectional

1322
00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:32,650
way which we kind of see in the other

1323
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:34,390
stream feels it's gone all over the

1324
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:35,410
place and it's covering you know

1325
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:38,050
Australia all the way up to two parts of

1326
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:40,090
China and then that you know it was mad

1327
00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:42,010
at gasps you've got this vast strewn

1328
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:45,100
field right that's anomaly it's very

1329
00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:47,290
young and so they assumed you'd be able

1330
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,300
to find the crater this enormous crater

1331
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:51,280
should be glaringly obvious because you

1332
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:52,140
point out some of these other events

1333
00:52:57,090 --> 00:52:54,610
millions of years old and they found the

1334
00:52:59,490 --> 00:52:57,100
craters right the Ostrow strewn through

1335
00:53:01,230 --> 00:52:59,500
had no crater and that was one of core

1336
00:53:02,910 --> 00:53:01,240
mysteries you know they can find that

1337
00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:02,920
there's chunks of material there are

1338
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:06,340
over 20 kilos in weight I mean basically

1339
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:09,130
up in like Laos and say well the crater

1340
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,420
has to be there because if you've got

1341
00:53:14,310 --> 00:53:11,920
pieces that big they're not gonna have

1342
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:14,320
travelled far so that's the crater and

1343
00:53:16,620 --> 00:53:15,370
they like looking around and there

1344
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:16,630
there's nothing off so we can stand

1345
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:17,710
these days so they've scanned

1346
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:20,050
there's no crater all right and then

1347
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:21,280
there's other issues with this because

1348
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:23,130
you know the NASA studies revealed that

1349
00:53:27,690 --> 00:53:26,620
one form of Australia these buttons that

1350
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:27,700
you showed you know

1351
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:29,260
image that they do look like a button

1352
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:32,260
shape right or also like the nose cone

1353
00:53:36,450 --> 00:53:35,050
of a reentry vehicle in that century

1354
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,460
because nASA has looked at them partly

1355
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,839
because of that they can see he's been

1356
00:53:41,339 --> 00:53:39,760
shaped by the aerodynamic forces of

1357
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:41,349
reentering the Earth's atmosphere so

1358
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:43,450
they were quite interested in them and

1359
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:44,890
they know for a fact that the only way

1360
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:46,930
this could have formed is if a large

1361
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:50,740
body was in orbit that's a key point in

1362
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:53,530
orbit around our planet so this not an

1363
00:53:58,589 --> 00:53:56,380
asteroid or comet flying in hurtling in

1364
00:54:00,240 --> 00:53:58,599
but it has been all because there's a

1365
00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:00,250
different angle Raider does a device

1366
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:03,670
very straight in yeah huge speeds

1367
00:54:07,290 --> 00:54:06,250
colossal speeds particularly because

1368
00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:07,300
they know that this material has

1369
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:09,640
isotopic ratios in it which are

1370
00:54:13,890 --> 00:54:11,740
signatures of being alien to our solar

1371
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:13,900
system right again so this isn't one of

1372
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:15,220
the asteroids in the asteroid belt which

1373
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:16,930
got particular speeds usually these

1374
00:54:22,859 --> 00:54:19,710
other objects that come in coming in at

1375
00:54:24,569 --> 00:54:22,869
horrendous speeds so the idea that I say

1376
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:24,579
a comet coming in from outside the solar

1377
00:54:28,530 --> 00:54:26,410
system would be caught in the Earth's

1378
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,540
gravity and start you know becoming a

1379
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:30,960
moon basically for the earth is

1380
00:54:36,210 --> 00:54:34,210
astonishingly witheringly small right

1381
00:54:38,550 --> 00:54:36,220
but now you have this object which is

1382
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:38,560
orbiting us and then for no apparent

1383
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:41,410
reason explodes they say it has two

1384
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:43,089
broken up in space they know this

1385
00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:45,609
because the material shows signs of

1386
00:54:52,349 --> 00:54:49,030
having melted formed spheres as liquid

1387
00:54:54,569 --> 00:54:52,359
will in a vacuum right and then super

1388
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:54,579
quickly frozen again the cold of space

1389
00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:56,530
right so they know that that was the

1390
00:55:01,200 --> 00:54:58,270
formation process for that the initial

1391
00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:01,210
spells right and that these then slowly

1392
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:03,160
make their way down at a fairly gentle

1393
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:05,710
angle every entry which allows them to

1394
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:07,480
form these these shield shapes rather

1395
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:09,010
than just burning up they come in at

1396
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:09,970
quite a shallow angle so you've got

1397
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:13,210
basically a deteriorating orbit and so

1398
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:14,800
they they make their way back in and

1399
00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:16,900
they you get a whole shower of these and

1400
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:18,940
these are at the ice age the starting

1401
00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:22,329
point of the re-entry zone so if you

1402
00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:23,560
imagine where the craft itself has been

1403
00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:24,040
destroyed

1404
00:55:28,859 --> 00:55:26,560
now these mostly fell in Antarctica and

1405
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:28,869
southern Australia so this where I can

1406
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:30,250
say this where the event has happened

1407
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,630
because that's the signature for it

1408
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:33,280
these little pieces that have been blown

1409
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:34,630
off of there and they've come in but

1410
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:38,170
then you have larger chunks and that

1411
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:40,569
these have entered across you know

1412
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:41,770
central to Norfolk

1413
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:44,680
and Southeast Asia and these larger

1414
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:46,089
chunks as they came in they become

1415
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:48,430
superheated and so they turned into

1416
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:51,550
aerial bursts colossal nuclear bomb like

1417
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:53,410
explosions in the upper atmosphere and

1418
00:55:58,410 --> 00:55:56,410
they throw down material which is now in

1419
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,420
the shapes of dumbbells tear drops

1420
00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:00,880
spheres which is typical tektite shapes

1421
00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:02,920
not the buttons the buttons are unique

1422
00:56:08,099 --> 00:56:04,780
they have to have formed from reentry

1423
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:08,109
from some space so that's a P point so

1424
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:09,369
we don't see that in any other strewn

1425
00:56:14,190 --> 00:56:12,010
field totally unique in the 4.6 billion

1426
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:14,200
years of this planet now

1427
00:56:18,030 --> 00:56:16,510
these had we known as aerial bursts one

1428
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:18,040
of the mysteries have taken off by

1429
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:19,570
tektites was that you find them in

1430
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:20,950
clusters on the ground and the

1431
00:56:24,270 --> 00:56:22,330
geologists for a long time couldn't

1432
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:24,280
fathom that because an impact throws

1433
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:26,050
stuff out pretty much omnidirectional or

1434
00:56:30,450 --> 00:56:28,510
you know in chemistry in he's gonna be

1435
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:30,460
in a circle around it fairly evenly

1436
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,410
distributed you don't find them in

1437
00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:34,000
little patches and you could try the

1438
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,740
whole patch hundreds of them and then

1439
00:56:39,089 --> 00:56:37,359
they stop you could walk for another

1440
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:39,099
hundred kilometers before finding

1441
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:41,260
another one all right that's a signature

1442
00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:42,970
for aerial bursts because where they've

1443
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:44,560
exploded they've come down the ground

1444
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:47,290
stranden Eve but nowhere else right so

1445
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,810
you've got many large pieces exploding

1446
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:51,760
in different areas across Australia

1447
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:54,310
Southeast Asia and this finally got

1448
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:55,900
proves I think coming years back there's

1449
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,880
a geologist who spent decades is his

1450
00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:00,640
passion this subject right spent decades

1451
00:57:04,829 --> 00:57:01,660
trying to understand it

1452
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:04,839
and he found a really unique piece up in

1453
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,430
with nothing the Muong long tektites

1454
00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:09,520
have been louse it's really because it

1455
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:13,990
has a fused second chunk stuck to it he

1456
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:15,190
said the only way that could have form

1457
00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:17,170
is if you've had an aerial burst you've

1458
00:57:22,050 --> 00:57:19,480
got matured on the ground hours later a

1459
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:22,060
second aerial burst has occurred and a

1460
00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:24,490
piece of material by good luck has stuck

1461
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:27,580
to one of the cooling chunks he said at

1462
00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:28,990
that point you know for sure the only

1463
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:31,000
way this can happen is aerial bursts and

1464
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:33,700
so this is not an impact this is debris

1465
00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:36,010
raining down from an object which has

1466
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:37,960
exploded in spec massive Soros has

1467
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:40,630
performed in space and now we know there

1468
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:42,460
is no impact these are chunks of debris

1469
00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:44,260
from something and they're coming in and

1470
00:57:47,790 --> 00:57:46,060
they're exploding until eventually we

1471
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,800
get the end of debris field I've been

1472
00:57:51,630 --> 00:57:49,599
Muong long well you get these strange

1473
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,640
layered tektites which again are quite

1474
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:53,440
mysterious because they don't understand

1475
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:55,240
why they're in these thin layers

1476
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:56,410
and I find that kind of funny because

1477
00:58:00,060 --> 00:57:57,690
there's a lot of talking about

1478
00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:00,070
metamaterials from UFOs right showing

1479
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:02,470
layers again these pictures from you

1480
00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:03,930
know teacher say

1481
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:06,220
they have these layers and especially if

1482
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:07,750
you look at me long long tektites or see

1483
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,369
actually they're in layers like that

1484
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:11,920
again nobody knows why theories why

1485
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:15,490
nobody's nobody understands them so you

1486
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:19,690
have there a hand-in-glove match with

1487
00:58:23,340 --> 00:58:22,090
the download information right even down

1488
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:23,350
to it's made of there's an aspect that

1489
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:25,810
says that they are largely silica about

1490
00:58:30,180 --> 00:58:27,850
seventy-five percent silica from melted

1491
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:30,190
quartz and quartz dust even form right

1492
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:32,200
in space and asteroids is the only

1493
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:34,900
formed in planetary systems you don't

1494
00:58:39,060 --> 00:58:36,910
find chunks of quartz flying around

1495
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:39,070
he was so rare on the moon that when

1496
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:40,630
they found some they deduced you had to

1497
00:58:44,430 --> 00:58:42,820
be from a meteorite from Earth that had

1498
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:44,440
been knocked off to them to the moon

1499
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:46,690
because he don't really get quartz there

1500
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:49,510
yeah so just just to recap for folks

1501
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:53,710
this story you Valerie gets us download

1502
00:58:59,700 --> 00:58:56,730
of information about this crazy

1503
00:59:01,950 --> 00:58:59,710
Hollywood story about a spaceship that

1504
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:01,960
comes and they blow it out of the sky

1505
00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:04,690
versus a war in heaven kind of thing it

1506
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:06,820
blows up it's a crystalline thing and it

1507
00:59:12,930 --> 00:59:09,850
falls to earth and Bruce here goes you

1508
00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:12,940
know I'm just crazy enough to go look

1509
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:13,960
for evidence

1510
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,970
for that story because it matches up

1511
00:59:21,330 --> 00:59:18,400
with the papper metaphysical experience

1512
00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:21,340
I had I'm gonna go see it you have the

1513
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:24,550
brains the smarts to say okay how would

1514
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,670
I go about doing that and then you say

1515
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:29,200
geologically maybe there's a maybe

1516
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,660
there's still some stuff around crazy as

1517
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:33,760
it may be and then like you just said

1518
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:36,130
you hand-in-glove I mean you just go

1519
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:39,369
through and I won't do it here but you

1520
00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:41,950
go through all the checkpoints of great

1521
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:43,780
mystery no one ever did it they

1522
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:45,490
acknowledge it's a hundred year mystery

1523
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:47,650
acknowledge this one is 700 to 80

1524
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:49,570
thousand years old acknowledge that it's

1525
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:51,070
especially strange acknowledge that

1526
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:53,050
there's no crater I am going through all

1527
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:53,440
of them

1528
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,290
it defies explanation by normal means

1529
01:00:01,650 --> 00:59:58,720
and I think we'll have to appreciate

1530
01:00:03,090 --> 01:00:01,660
that you've done it the right way you

1531
01:00:04,890 --> 01:00:03,100
know you've gone and look for the data

1532
01:00:08,070 --> 01:00:04,900
it's not your fault that the data

1533
01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:08,080
completely faucet line with this rather

1534
01:00:10,740 --> 01:00:08,680
remarkable

1535
01:00:11,790 --> 01:00:10,750
story no they could be nothing right I

1536
01:00:13,530 --> 01:00:11,800
could have gone and looked and found

1537
01:00:16,020 --> 01:00:13,540
nothing that that's it was the most

1538
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,030
likely event you know you think well

1539
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:18,160
even if it was true that just you simply

1540
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:20,290
didn't find anything you know they

1541
01:00:24,569 --> 01:00:21,910
hadn't discovered any material you know

1542
01:00:25,799 --> 01:00:24,579
I'm relying on the academics in these

1543
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:25,809
things because you know I don't go out

1544
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:28,650
and do geology or archeology again so

1545
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:32,319
you know I'm a layman so I have to see

1546
01:00:36,569 --> 01:00:33,670
what's in the records you know in the

1547
01:00:37,799 --> 01:00:36,579
papers in the fines and so by luck you

1548
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:37,809
know people have been out there and they

1549
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:39,609
found them they've analyzed them so you

1550
01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:40,780
know I haven't had to you know go and

1551
01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:43,390
you know oh in my wee lab in my garage

1552
01:00:47,339 --> 01:00:45,220
you know I've analyzed no I mean there's

1553
01:00:49,470 --> 01:00:47,349
these are peer-reviewed academic papers

1554
01:00:51,569 --> 01:00:49,480
again you know NASA papers honest with

1555
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:51,579
unlike NASA but you know they do could

1556
01:00:55,859 --> 01:00:54,130
work and also we've got independent

1557
01:00:58,589 --> 01:00:55,869
universities geologists you know it's

1558
01:01:00,000 --> 01:00:58,599
not one it's not one organization right

1559
01:01:02,130 --> 01:01:00,010
there's lots of different people have

1560
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:02,140
looked at australoid tektites you know

1561
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,730
for lots of reasons as I say has even

1562
01:01:08,609 --> 01:01:05,680
got a signature in there in the isotopic

1563
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:08,619
ratios that it is alien material alien

1564
01:01:13,799 --> 01:01:11,770
to this solar system right so that again

1565
01:01:16,109 --> 01:01:13,809
is another important point that it's not

1566
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:16,119
even the makeup of the object is also

1567
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:18,460
not in line with asteroids comets or

1568
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:20,410
meteorites that we know again it's got a

1569
01:01:24,210 --> 01:01:22,930
strange ratio of different calm lots

1570
01:01:26,099 --> 01:01:24,220
lots of different chemicals in it but

1571
01:01:27,870 --> 01:01:26,109
strange ratios of chemicals again so

1572
01:01:29,099 --> 01:01:27,880
there's a lot of reasons for them to

1573
01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:29,109
decide that this isn't you know a

1574
01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:32,230
standard object yeah and the fact that

1575
01:01:36,809 --> 01:01:34,750
it has silica from melted quartz again

1576
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:36,819
signature of that this is a very strange

1577
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:38,770
thing to be orbiting our planet this

1578
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:41,710
huge chunk of you know of silicon and

1579
01:01:45,780 --> 01:01:43,690
aluminium but with a lot of other sub

1580
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:45,790
compounds that what the heck is it doing

1581
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:47,500
that you know and then you as you trace

1582
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:48,730
that down you can always imagine this

1583
01:01:51,329 --> 01:01:50,049
thing coming in over at like Antarctica

1584
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:51,339
and breaking up and you can see the

1585
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:52,990
larger this with these pieces from space

1586
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:54,430
until it starts to hit the atmosphere

1587
01:01:58,319 --> 01:01:56,650
and then you get a different you get the

1588
01:01:59,640 --> 01:01:58,329
areal burst and then at the very end of

1589
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,650
the trail you get these strange no I'm

1590
01:02:04,770 --> 01:02:01,440
long layering which I assume is the

1591
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,780
closest to the undamaged material that

1592
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:05,920
we're gonna get you know these are the

1593
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:07,750
final chunks if you like all the molten

1594
01:02:12,450 --> 01:02:09,970
material that has ended up right at the

1595
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:12,460
end of that decreasing flight path right

1596
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:14,650
so we can trace it all the way down from

1597
01:02:19,049 --> 01:02:16,690
Antarctica to Laos as it breaks up and

1598
01:02:21,569 --> 01:02:19,059
comes in various you know very strange

1599
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:21,579
but absolutely a mesh is so well because

1600
01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:22,330
we also

1601
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:24,340
holding this download that the escape

1602
01:02:30,030 --> 01:02:27,250
crafts land in South Australia if

1603
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:30,040
they're fleeing from an exploding craft

1604
01:02:33,930 --> 01:02:31,930
I'm thinking they're not traveling too

1605
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:33,940
far you know he's like get to the ground

1606
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:37,630
as you can again Star Wars we hate to do

1607
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:39,370
it but I mean this is retro Star Wars

1608
01:02:43,950 --> 01:02:41,470
you got the mothership and then you got

1609
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:43,960
the other ship you hear it from UFO

1610
01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:47,050
accounts all the time there's the big

1611
01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:48,520
ship and then there's the little ships

1612
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:50,080
and that's what you're saying happen

1613
01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:52,510
yeah let's jump forward in the story

1614
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:54,460
before we run out of time and because

1615
01:02:59,130 --> 01:02:57,310
you're off we've talked about I think if

1616
01:03:00,990 --> 01:02:59,140
people are following along I don't know

1617
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:01,000
how good of a job I'm doing helping them

1618
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:03,880
do that probably not we talked about the

1619
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:07,000
chicken and the chimps and how that gets

1620
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:08,830
us to seven hundred and eighty thousand

1621
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:10,570
years now we just talked about the

1622
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,710
tektites and how that unbelievably gets

1623
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:16,240
us to seven hundred eighty thousand

1624
01:03:20,910 --> 01:03:18,190
years but there's another part of the

1625
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,920
story that you're amazing

1626
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:23,200
again you just went out and looked for

1627
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:26,500
it just tell the story about the the

1628
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:29,110
tractor beam tell us where that fits

1629
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:33,280
into again our Hollywood movie and then

1630
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:36,250
where the evidence is for it yeah I'm

1631
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:38,290
absolutely I will quit he says well

1632
01:03:41,420 --> 01:03:39,250
there you know from what I understand

1633
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:41,430
Valerie actually has had at least one

1634
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,570
cousin come to her and talk to her about

1635
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:45,520
possibly making a movie and I actually

1636
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:47,920
think it would be a brilliant movie

1637
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:50,110
absolutely brilliant right because he is

1638
01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:51,850
is actually it's action-packed you know

1639
01:03:55,410 --> 01:03:53,590
it's not just that we've discovered

1640
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:55,420
nearly scientific you know anomalies but

1641
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:56,650
you know it's actually is an

1642
01:04:00,210 --> 01:03:59,200
extraordinary story in its own right but

1643
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:00,220
yeah with the tractor being part

1644
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:02,110
basically that we are told that five

1645
01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:04,330
years after these events happened

1646
01:04:09,030 --> 01:04:06,540
another group of extraterrestrials

1647
01:04:11,310 --> 01:04:09,040
associated with these colonists if you

1648
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:11,320
like or scientists you know arrived to

1649
01:04:14,190 --> 01:04:12,910
earth and that these are a kind of

1650
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:14,200
police force you know they are

1651
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:16,780
associated with this alliance but rather

1652
01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:19,090
than being the peaceful colonists that

1653
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,100
have arrived initially these are kind of

1654
01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:23,200
a cosmic cops of some sort right that

1655
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:26,500
they come armed there is repercussions

1656
01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:27,640
against this betrayal

1657
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:29,860
so they warn the inhabitants of earth

1658
01:04:33,030 --> 01:04:30,970
that are the current you know

1659
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,040
inhabitants that they should leave as

1660
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:35,200
per the original agreement that they

1661
01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:36,010
have destroyed in a

1662
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:38,380
peaceful colony ship broken the treaty

1663
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:39,850
and that there's gonna be consequences

1664
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:42,430
and so to leave immediately or face a

1665
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:44,680
planetary bombardment now

1666
01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:45,880
it's explained that this planetary

1667
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:47,980
bombardment is not you know laser beams

1668
01:04:51,690 --> 01:04:50,200
or or anything conventional that we feel

1669
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:51,700
like that that what they do is there's

1670
01:04:56,070 --> 01:04:53,890
any pulley in asteroids and that they

1671
01:04:58,290 --> 01:04:56,080
will utilize those to bombard a planet

1672
01:05:00,300 --> 01:04:58,300
surface and they clarify that you know

1673
01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:00,310
if we need to we can pull in something

1674
01:05:05,370 --> 01:05:02,620
big enough to crack a planet open right

1675
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:05,380
so this is worse than you know nuclear

1676
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:06,910
warfare they can just wipe out your

1677
01:05:11,310 --> 01:05:09,760
planet if they want to and it makes me

1678
01:05:13,350 --> 01:05:11,320
feel like the dinosaurs you know was

1679
01:05:14,790 --> 01:05:13,360
that deliberate who knows but they they

1680
01:05:17,070 --> 01:05:14,800
said they're quite capable of pulling in

1681
01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:17,080
objects like that they then go about

1682
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,000
this bombardment right that the

1683
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:21,280
underground bases of this second party a

1684
01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:24,160
sort of targeted there's a polarizing at

1685
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:24,700
the planet

1686
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:27,250
I assume that something like that would

1687
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:28,450
be well known that you know we'd have

1688
01:05:31,410 --> 01:05:29,560
heard of it in the same way that we've

1689
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:31,420
heard of the extinction of the dinosaurs

1690
01:05:34,050 --> 01:05:32,980
that this would be like you know oh and

1691
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:34,060
then of course that will another event

1692
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:35,710
like this 780 thousand years ago that

1693
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,930
we'd all know it so I I was quite

1694
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:39,280
skeptical that I would find anything to

1695
01:05:43,830 --> 01:05:41,830
support this but I went away and looked

1696
01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:43,840
and it turned out that just I think it's

1697
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:49,120
in 2015 pretty sure 2015 a German

1698
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:51,520
geological team had basically uncovered

1699
01:05:56,700 --> 01:05:53,650
evidence of a multi-directional

1700
01:05:59,340 --> 01:05:56,710
planetary bombardment by asteroids right

1701
01:06:02,820 --> 01:05:59,350
which had led to a global Cataclysm

1702
01:06:04,350 --> 01:06:02,830
firestorm tsunamis earthquakes till 2015

1703
01:06:05,850 --> 01:06:04,360
no one knew that and keep in mind that

1704
01:06:08,850 --> 01:06:05,860
now we're dealing with a book published

1705
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,860
in 2003 so there's no way that very

1706
01:06:12,210 --> 01:06:10,960
clear gonna look this up and just

1707
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:12,220
include a bit because it would be

1708
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:15,010
exciting you know nobody knew and it's

1709
01:06:17,970 --> 01:06:15,850
so weird

1710
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:17,980
again another anomaly because you expect

1711
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:20,110
an asteroid on its own to come in

1712
01:06:25,020 --> 01:06:23,140
you don't expect many of them to hit

1713
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:25,030
from different sides of the planet at

1714
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:26,950
the same time and they even say the

1715
01:06:31,020 --> 01:06:28,960
composition seems to be different so

1716
01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:31,030
it's not from one breaking up asteroid

1717
01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:33,640
these are separate objects called it so

1718
01:06:38,220 --> 01:06:35,830
the demons as they're reporting this are

1719
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:38,230
going wow again like your tech type

1720
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:39,730
thing they're going to another this is

1721
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:41,190
an incredible UNAM

1722
01:06:48,460 --> 01:06:44,730
a mystery how could this ever happen if

1723
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,470
you're sick well this is exactly what

1724
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:50,880
yep it's an anomaly uh normally because

1725
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:52,200
you know we've already got you know

1726
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:53,940
we've got this anomalous object and how

1727
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,859
it breaks up we've got this you know now

1728
01:06:59,660 --> 01:06:57,359
we got this anomalous bombardment and

1729
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,670
then of course we grow up normally is in

1730
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,960
the genome which we know we've tackled

1731
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:02,880
some of those but there are more and

1732
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:05,520
that the dating again for the the

1733
01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:08,310
important most important changes in

1734
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:10,470
early hominins that lead to us they

1735
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:13,020
again tied to this period around seven

1736
01:07:17,059 --> 01:07:14,790
hundred eighty thousand years ago now

1737
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:17,069
that was one of the crucial things from

1738
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:19,650
is that if I could find the evidence the

1739
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,660
supporter of this narrative he also had

1740
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,480
to be in the same time zone right

1741
01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:26,160
because it's no good just saying that

1742
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:27,270
five hundred thousand years ago there

1743
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:28,619
was a bombardment a million years ago

1744
01:07:34,819 --> 01:07:31,619
there was a silica craft you know to be

1745
01:07:36,829 --> 01:07:34,829
a true story all of the major events

1746
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:36,839
have to be happening at the same time

1747
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:39,839
right and that that's what I found that

1748
01:07:47,030 --> 01:07:45,119
they are right so maybe we've left a big

1749
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:47,040
we've implied this other part of the

1750
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:48,750
story but I think we probably should

1751
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:50,970
should go ahead and and get to it

1752
01:07:54,980 --> 01:07:53,940
because as the story moves on and I'll

1753
01:07:58,339 --> 01:07:54,990
let you tell it

1754
01:08:01,520 --> 01:07:58,349
these beings they land in Australia and

1755
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:01,530
they say wow we can't really fulfill our

1756
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:05,460
original mission but we can kind of get

1757
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:08,700
there by doing some genetic engineering

1758
01:08:14,329 --> 01:08:12,960
genetic manipulation which we we this is

1759
01:08:16,099 --> 01:08:14,339
like we're gonna have to have so many

1760
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,109
interviews on this or maybe we'll make

1761
01:08:20,829 --> 01:08:17,759
the movie you and I together we'll talk

1762
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:20,839
about that but but their thing is like

1763
01:08:26,420 --> 01:08:24,359
okay we do this all the time like this

1764
01:08:27,979 --> 01:08:26,430
isn't if you really wrap your head

1765
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:27,989
around what you're saying you have to

1766
01:08:32,059 --> 01:08:29,880
accept that this is just kind of how

1767
01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:32,069
stuff works they know about the planet

1768
01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:34,859
long before this they may be visited it

1769
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:37,259
long before this this is just one event

1770
01:08:40,249 --> 01:08:38,489
that happened somebody named eighty

1771
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:40,259
thousand years ago they weren't able to

1772
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:42,089
completely fulfill their mission so they

1773
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,890
kind of went into this mode okay well

1774
01:08:46,820 --> 01:08:45,359
let's do the thing you know how we do

1775
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:46,830
the genetic engineering and how we did

1776
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:48,449
it over there and we're always doing

1777
01:08:52,099 --> 01:08:50,100
genetic engineering and it's been done

1778
01:08:53,420 --> 01:08:52,109
on us and we do it on other beings and

1779
01:08:54,890 --> 01:08:53,430
consciousness evolves and

1780
01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:54,900
goes into all these different things and

1781
01:08:58,730 --> 01:08:57,180
hey let's see how it works here and what

1782
01:09:00,020 --> 01:08:58,740
I thought was particularly interesting

1783
01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:00,030
here because it reshapes our

1784
01:09:05,660 --> 01:09:02,190
understanding is this idea of the garden

1785
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:05,670
so if you could bite off all that stuff

1786
01:09:11,780 --> 01:09:08,580
that that I'm saying on behalf of you

1787
01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:11,790
and Valerie then what do you do you know

1788
01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:14,450
you got this planet and you have these

1789
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:18,270
kind of different beings that are

1790
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:19,980
running around that maybe you had a part

1791
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:22,350
of in the distant past but right now

1792
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:25,980
you're ready to do something I haven't

1793
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:27,210
done a very good job of explaining the

1794
01:09:31,310 --> 01:09:28,710
story but pick it up there with maybe

1795
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:31,320
this idea of the garden yeah sure I mean

1796
01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:32,550
that's right I mean there's another

1797
01:09:35,690 --> 01:09:34,680
argument that people say well how a news

1798
01:09:38,690 --> 01:09:35,700
wouldn't come because they don't know

1799
01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:38,700
we're here you know etc said no no he's

1800
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:40,260
explained your own beginning that this

1801
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:42,390
is a plant has been seeded you know this

1802
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:44,970
is being seeded by DNA by advanced

1803
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:49,170
beings in the beginning you know so the

1804
01:09:53,180 --> 01:09:51,090
being out there the well aware of earth

1805
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:53,190
you know he's been applying chosen to be

1806
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:56,460
seeded okay that there have been beings

1807
01:10:00,380 --> 01:09:58,380
on this planet in the remote prehistory

1808
01:10:02,210 --> 01:10:00,390
again that have lived here then around

1809
01:10:03,770 --> 01:10:02,220
we would see them extraterrestrials are

1810
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,780
they if they've lived here long enough

1811
01:10:08,210 --> 01:10:05,280
you could argue they're as terrestrial

1812
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:08,220
as we are right but again there's those

1813
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:10,260
documents for that but they're they have

1814
01:10:14,300 --> 01:10:12,420
played around with the DNA and if at

1815
01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:14,310
least there is explain that at some

1816
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:17,100
point this planet was lost to this other

1817
01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:19,890
party after the seeding and that this

1818
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,990
other party played games with genetics

1819
01:10:26,660 --> 01:10:23,760
created dinosaurs did all sorts of stuff

1820
01:10:28,190 --> 01:10:26,670
and that later on we have this transfer

1821
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:28,200
back and this is what this agreement was

1822
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:30,690
about this returning the planet back to

1823
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:33,420
this alliance and that through this

1824
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:34,710
betrayal so there's been a lot of going

1825
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:37,110
on on this planet long before this that

1826
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:38,730
we're just dealing with the the event

1827
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:41,070
has the most evidence right there's a

1828
01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:42,540
lot more that's happened right from the

1829
01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:44,340
beginning yeah it's always been a garden

1830
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,100
always been DNA being manipulated and

1831
01:10:51,770 --> 01:10:49,440
whatnot creating the first hominins was

1832
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:51,780
a manipulation right the you know Homo

1833
01:10:55,580 --> 01:10:53,610
erectus being raised up from those

1834
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:55,590
hominins and being a larger brained you

1835
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,000
know the earliest kind of I guess

1836
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:59,520
recognizable humans again that's someone

1837
01:11:02,510 --> 01:11:01,260
had a role in that and that now it's

1838
01:11:05,780 --> 01:11:02,520
seven hundred eighty thousand years ago

1839
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:05,790
a different party is saying well our

1840
01:11:08,420 --> 01:11:07,050
planners and

1841
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:08,430
down of colonizing but what we're going

1842
01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:10,410
to do instead I'm going to use what's

1843
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:12,990
left of our technologies to upgrade the

1844
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:14,100
hominin that's here

1845
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,140
and we're going to utilize it to

1846
01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:18,480
continue our planner essentially call

1847
01:11:21,950 --> 01:11:19,560
aizen's well taking over this planet

1848
01:11:23,620 --> 01:11:21,960
back to Alliance control and that we're

1849
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:23,630
going to use these beings almost as

1850
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,310
biological spacesuits now this is some

1851
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:27,600
of the people who struggle with a bit

1852
01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:30,150
but it only knows Tibetan Buddhism and

1853
01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:33,270
the the idea of directed incarnations or

1854
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:36,390
directed reincarnations that some people

1855
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,330
not just aliens but some people can

1856
01:11:42,860 --> 01:11:42,000
direct their next life reincarnation as

1857
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:42,870
far as I'm concerned it's been

1858
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:47,120
established by the work of Professor

1859
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:51,060
Steven soon in Stevens and even the

1860
01:11:54,170 --> 01:11:52,590
leading skeptics even look to his work

1861
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:54,180
say you know they had sinned it well you

1862
01:11:59,000 --> 01:11:56,010
know yes his work is you know is really

1863
01:12:00,860 --> 01:11:59,010
it is solid is totally scientific but we

1864
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:00,870
don't believe reincarnation because is

1865
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:03,450
they're unable to accept his evidence

1866
01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:04,620
right not because his evidence has

1867
01:12:08,180 --> 01:12:06,720
anything wrong with it yeah so as far as

1868
01:12:10,940 --> 01:12:08,190
I'm concerned it's established that

1869
01:12:13,190 --> 01:12:10,950
reincarnation is real now these beings

1870
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:13,200
say well they can incarnate into these

1871
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,720
humans as they're dying you know they

1872
01:12:18,980 --> 01:12:17,760
cannot survive here because the

1873
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:18,990
atmosphere is not right for them the

1874
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:20,850
solar radiations not right there's

1875
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:22,980
bacteria in the water all sorts of

1876
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:23,760
problems you imagine if you were

1877
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,980
marooned on a world right which you were

1878
01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:27,840
not ready to live on so they have those

1879
01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:29,940
real-world issues what they can do is

1880
01:12:35,570 --> 01:12:32,790
create an organism which they themselves

1881
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:35,580
can utilize and they can then move into

1882
01:12:39,380 --> 01:12:36,900
as they die and that's just actually

1883
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:39,390
what they do and just let me jump in

1884
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:40,650
there this is kind of a little bit of

1885
01:12:44,710 --> 01:12:41,940
inside baseball and we're gonna have

1886
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,720
another interview and include Dan here

1887
01:12:48,860 --> 01:12:46,920
and there's because there's so much to

1888
01:12:50,780 --> 01:12:48,870
talk about but I'm not sure I'm totally

1889
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:50,790
I'm on board with part of what you're

1890
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:53,820
saying but again it the balancing of the

1891
01:12:58,820 --> 01:12:56,310
metaphysical extended consciousness and

1892
01:13:00,170 --> 01:12:58,830
this narrow idea of time-space has to be

1893
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,180
incorporated in because we don't really

1894
01:13:04,730 --> 01:13:02,880
know what reincarnation you know means

1895
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:04,740
and what may be the purpose of that and

1896
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:07,050
if there is either because there may be

1897
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:09,000
some cases where there's this higher

1898
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:10,800
spiritual purpose and there could be

1899
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:12,540
another way that there's just kind of a

1900
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:15,150
tech more of a technological kind of I

1901
01:13:20,350 --> 01:13:17,940
move my spirit from here to there we

1902
01:13:21,879 --> 01:13:20,360
don't know if it's a mixture of that or

1903
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:21,889
it means we don't know what the goal

1904
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:23,750
would be you know some people could pick

1905
01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:25,489
that apart and go well a directed

1906
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:27,230
reincarnation how does that really get

1907
01:13:30,910 --> 01:13:29,210
you where you want to go well we don't

1908
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:30,920
know where you want to go we don't know

1909
01:13:36,669 --> 01:13:33,409
what the goal would be I think what's

1910
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:36,679
important is we just hold the idea you

1911
01:13:40,780 --> 01:13:38,210
know we can go down all these pads and

1912
01:13:44,859 --> 01:13:40,790
we have to but hold to the idea of of

1913
01:13:47,169 --> 01:13:44,869
what you're saying is that it is not it

1914
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:47,179
is reasonable to throw that on the table

1915
01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:50,239
and say that there could be a purpose

1916
01:13:58,689 --> 01:13:55,880
that would make it reasonable to prune

1917
01:14:03,669 --> 01:13:58,699
the garden in such a way that the

1918
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:03,679
certain species evolve in a way that is

1919
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,000
a merger of the genetic makeup of both

1920
01:14:14,109 --> 01:14:10,880
parties we might not understand mind of

1921
01:14:16,330 --> 01:14:14,119
God what that purpose was or mind of AI

1922
01:14:17,979 --> 01:14:16,340
what their purposes was but it's not

1923
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:17,989
unreasonable to assume that I don't

1924
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,810
think no and again you know what they

1925
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:22,880
say it's for and if they can say it's

1926
01:14:27,070 --> 01:14:24,530
that we can't substantiate and we can't

1927
01:14:28,629 --> 01:14:27,080
know that that's not just what they

1928
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:28,639
would like us to think on that

1929
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:29,690
particular thing because you can't

1930
01:14:33,729 --> 01:14:31,610
substantiate it well you say that in

1931
01:14:35,919 --> 01:14:33,739
their download they explain that that's

1932
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:35,929
part of why they're doing it there's

1933
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:37,610
other reasons as well yeah there are

1934
01:14:42,459 --> 01:14:40,730
more complex into bigger vision things

1935
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:42,469
about this sector of space the other

1936
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,570
entities they're here what role this

1937
01:14:48,939 --> 01:14:46,400
planet would play why they would want

1938
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:48,949
aid they sort of foothold here so

1939
01:14:53,379 --> 01:14:51,440
there's a larger narrative they offer

1940
01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:53,389
but you can't really substantiate that

1941
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,550
unlike the debris unlike the genetics

1942
01:15:00,189 --> 01:14:56,719
you know again because then you're

1943
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:00,199
dealing with what they say it's for not

1944
01:15:03,310 --> 01:15:02,210
necessary what it's for so we have to

1945
01:15:05,169 --> 01:15:03,320
acknowledge that the way you can't

1946
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:05,179
substantiate then you just have their

1947
01:15:09,129 --> 01:15:08,090
version of why they're doing it so you

1948
01:15:10,990 --> 01:15:09,139
could have called it it could be

1949
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:11,000
propaganda right it could be real could

1950
01:15:14,649 --> 01:15:12,650
because there's some parts of course the

1951
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,659
narrative that you can't easily just

1952
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,159
validate you know you can't find a

1953
01:15:20,290 --> 01:15:18,560
physical thing to validate something

1954
01:15:22,419 --> 01:15:20,300
which is just their opinion on what will

1955
01:15:24,220 --> 01:15:22,429
happen by doing this right but what you

1956
01:15:25,570 --> 01:15:24,230
do what you can't do and I think it's

1957
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:25,580
important and I'd love for you to speak

1958
01:15:33,220 --> 01:15:28,880
to this for a minute the garden model

1959
01:15:34,030 --> 01:15:33,230
that you're kind of outlining does solve

1960
01:15:37,690 --> 01:15:34,040
for a lot of

1961
01:15:40,020 --> 01:15:37,700
kind of nagging problems that people

1962
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:40,030
have run into when they speculate about

1963
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:43,490
particularly genetic engineering by

1964
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:46,010
non-human intelligence you know they run

1965
01:15:49,090 --> 01:15:47,510
into problems bolt well they would just

1966
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:49,100
kind of do it this way or that way and

1967
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:51,110
like in particular what you point out is

1968
01:15:55,870 --> 01:15:53,750
we you you you really couldn't factor in

1969
01:15:58,720 --> 01:15:55,880
for everything you know you couldn't

1970
01:16:00,160 --> 01:15:58,730
factor into natural catastrophes you

1971
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:00,170
know that changing the Sun you get a

1972
01:16:06,730 --> 01:16:02,330
better meteor you know stuff happens you

1973
01:16:09,190 --> 01:16:06,740
can't completely control the process of

1974
01:16:10,930 --> 01:16:09,200
evolution and natural selection genetic

1975
01:16:13,690 --> 01:16:10,940
mutation you can't completely control

1976
01:16:16,090 --> 01:16:13,700
that and what it moves you into I think

1977
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,100
naturally is what you're outlining here

1978
01:16:20,230 --> 01:16:18,080
it's like hey well that's you know

1979
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:20,240
that's what a gardener does you know one

1980
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,250
year he gets a drought he like he lives

1981
01:16:26,710 --> 01:16:24,080
through it and he lives for next year

1982
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:26,720
one year he gets a mutation that doesn't

1983
01:16:31,150 --> 01:16:28,730
quite go his way doesn't produce any

1984
01:16:33,070 --> 01:16:31,160
fruit okay he lives with it he kind of

1985
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,080
goes it when you switch into that model

1986
01:16:38,350 --> 01:16:35,120
it gives us a different way of thinking

1987
01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:38,360
about it non-human intelligence and

1988
01:16:41,950 --> 01:16:40,310
their role in doing genetic engineering

1989
01:16:44,230 --> 01:16:41,960
it it makes sense what you're saying

1990
01:16:46,450 --> 01:16:44,240
because we do it don't you know if we

1991
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:46,460
have a garden we will hybridize we

1992
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:49,490
modify we direct reading we do also

1993
01:16:53,650 --> 01:16:51,770
stuff to leavings how we want it in our

1994
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:53,660
garden and we will weed the garden when

1995
01:16:58,480 --> 01:16:55,490
we need you if we look at some of the

1996
01:17:00,190 --> 01:16:58,490
cataclysms in the past we have no way to

1997
01:17:01,810 --> 01:17:00,200
know whether these are all incidental

1998
01:17:03,490 --> 01:17:01,820
you know or whether they're directed

1999
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:03,500
because there's certainly being periods

2000
01:17:06,490 --> 01:17:05,450
where strange things have happened I

2001
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:06,500
mean there's the Cambrian explosion

2002
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:08,090
which is obvious big issue

2003
01:17:11,650 --> 01:17:09,770
there's certainly loads of life-forms PR

2004
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:11,660
nowhere but conversely there's also die

2005
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,610
offs where we've been reduced down to

2006
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:16,400
two to tiny numbers you know is that

2007
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:18,410
again is that too direct certain groups

2008
01:17:22,450 --> 01:17:20,330
to survive while others are removed you

2009
01:17:23,890 --> 01:17:22,460
know we don't know but we do understand

2010
01:17:26,350 --> 01:17:23,900
if you are gardening that sometimes you

2011
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:26,360
eat the garden right so is there times

2012
01:17:30,340 --> 01:17:28,640
when since species are removed and you

2013
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:30,350
know certain populations of people even

2014
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:31,850
that you know figure and I said people

2015
01:17:35,380 --> 01:17:34,490
going back we've got long periods you

2016
01:17:37,570 --> 01:17:35,390
could be a hundred thousand years ago

2017
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:37,580
but even more east here to say seventy

2018
01:17:41,410 --> 01:17:38,480
thousand years ago there was a huge

2019
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:41,420
die-off right a climate event later but

2020
01:17:45,340 --> 01:17:42,980
all sorts of things happened and we were

2021
01:17:47,410 --> 01:17:45,350
reduced to a small population again I'm

2022
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:47,420
left wondering with some of these you

2023
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:48,030
know

2024
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:50,760
are they all just natural events they

2025
01:17:54,980 --> 01:17:53,010
could be or are are some of these

2026
01:17:57,260 --> 01:17:54,990
deliberate you know that hey will rain

2027
01:17:59,720 --> 01:17:57,270
down a virus that you know will remove

2028
01:18:01,280 --> 01:17:59,730
such and such groups of people or such

2029
01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:01,290
and such animals and they will be

2030
01:18:05,660 --> 01:18:03,060
removed you know there being a problem

2031
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,670
we have we have to ask ourself that once

2032
01:18:09,980 --> 01:18:07,440
you put in a intelligence that is

2033
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:09,990
godlike in terms of its abilities you

2034
01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:12,330
know it's not what we think of as a true

2035
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:14,520
God but it can do incredible magical

2036
01:18:18,860 --> 01:18:16,620
things then then you have to relook at

2037
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,870
all of history and ask yourself would

2038
01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:20,400
any of these events fit with the

2039
01:18:25,850 --> 01:18:23,550
influences of a power like that the

2040
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,860
die-off of the Neanderthal is one thing

2041
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:27,360
that a lot of people have pointed at and

2042
01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:29,970
said why doesn't that survive in a lot

2043
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:32,990
of ways seems to be more fit for

2044
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:34,950
survival and yet we have this huge

2045
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:37,140
die-off I mean there's over many many

2046
01:18:40,670 --> 01:18:39,090
examples of this well yeah and I think

2047
01:18:42,380 --> 01:18:40,680
that shapingg was 70,000 years ago

2048
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,390
there's this radical event that kills

2049
01:18:45,980 --> 01:18:43,920
off most human so in the northern

2050
01:18:48,020 --> 01:18:45,990
hemisphere I think that does shape

2051
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:48,030
modern humans I think that the survivors

2052
01:18:52,670 --> 01:18:49,980
of that event are pushed together and

2053
01:18:54,590 --> 01:18:52,680
it's the final hybridization of the

2054
01:18:56,210 --> 01:18:54,600
ancient hominins which gives rise to

2055
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,220
modern humans before that there's no

2056
01:19:00,440 --> 01:18:58,800
true modern Hughley behaviorally

2057
01:19:02,060 --> 01:19:00,450
anatomically modern humans not so

2058
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:02,070
seventy thousand years ago and I'll

2059
01:19:05,180 --> 01:19:03,900
argue definite people in have a look and

2060
01:19:07,460 --> 01:19:05,190
in fact you have the cultural revolution

2061
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,470
begins after 70 thousand years ago

2062
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:09,360
where we start producing all these are

2063
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:12,540
complex art where we link different

2064
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:14,010
things together with a particular

2065
01:19:17,930 --> 01:19:15,450
language all these things start to

2066
01:19:19,820 --> 01:19:17,940
emerge yeah I believe that's the coming

2067
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,830
together the survivors of the Denisovans

2068
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:21,600
Neanderthals and probably dozens of

2069
01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:23,130
other groups that we don't know yet we

2070
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:24,900
don't have their DNA on record that

2071
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:28,290
modern humans are a hybrid probably of

2072
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:31,140
dozens of populations and so the idea

2073
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:32,850
that modern humans existed alongside

2074
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:34,050
Neanderthals and Denisovans the

2075
01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:35,940
beginning I think is a misnomer we're

2076
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:37,950
going to slowly see that we actually are

2077
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:41,610
the combination of probably 10 20 30

2078
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:43,530
populations that have yet to get names

2079
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:45,330
because we haven't found their bones or

2080
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,730
their DNA right but we know already we

2081
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:50,460
are not a singular pure subspecies

2082
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:52,890
whatsoever that we've got at least about

2083
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,530
six different archaic hominins DNA in us

2084
01:19:59,630 --> 01:19:57,360
so far spread between different

2085
01:20:00,890 --> 01:19:59,640
populations right so I think that again

2086
01:20:01,790 --> 01:20:00,900
you could ask for something was that a

2087
01:20:03,650 --> 01:20:01,800
deliberate event

2088
01:20:04,820 --> 01:20:03,660
that the final push that hey with all

2089
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:04,830
these different groups let's get the

2090
01:20:10,190 --> 01:20:07,890
best of all of them into one population

2091
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:10,200
let's do something that shapes that and

2092
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,750
makes it happen ooh a cataclysm yeah

2093
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:14,880
that will push them together you know so

2094
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:16,590
we don't know once you've got that kind

2095
01:20:20,210 --> 01:20:18,690
of model behind you think well someone

2096
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:20,220
else is watching from the skies and you

2097
01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:22,530
see these sort of almost convenient for

2098
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,020
them type events right then if you are

2099
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:27,360
looking for a fine or superior model by

2100
01:20:31,670 --> 01:20:29,490
bringing them together near the end well

2101
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:31,680
that just about fits what we're seeing

2102
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:34,170
on the ground you know and there's so

2103
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,940
many points to cover there but this

2104
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:37,920
model that you're putting forward as I

2105
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:40,860
mentioned I think helps move us towards

2106
01:20:45,010 --> 01:20:42,390
being able to answer some of these

2107
01:20:47,180 --> 01:20:45,020
questions it's in a possible model for

2108
01:20:49,220 --> 01:20:47,190
99 percent people out there to even

2109
01:20:50,780 --> 01:20:49,230
approach but that's too bad you know we

2110
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:50,790
just have to kind of push forward with

2111
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:52,710
what we have but what I particularly

2112
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,260
like about the garden idea the garden

2113
01:20:59,300 --> 01:20:57,360
metaphor is it it incorporates all of

2114
01:21:01,070 --> 01:20:59,310
what you're saying but it also

2115
01:21:03,050 --> 01:21:01,080
incorporates more which you know will

2116
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,060
touch on maybe when we talk again but

2117
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:05,760
the abduction phenomenon is something

2118
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,370
that we have to kind of deal with and

2119
01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:11,040
understand so we have that as well so

2120
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:13,620
the garden would suggest I'm doing all

2121
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,510
of those things I'm pushing groups

2122
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,000
together I'm separating groups there's

2123
01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:21,120
natural catastrophes there that I'm kind

2124
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:22,680
of engineering there's also natural

2125
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:24,600
catastrophes that I'm not engineering

2126
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:27,300
and then every once in a while I'm doing

2127
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:31,140
a specific CRISPR of my own making you

2128
01:21:34,460 --> 01:21:32,490
know going in there and kind of tweaking

2129
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:34,470
stuff and only when you put all that

2130
01:21:39,170 --> 01:21:36,840
stuff on the table can you start piecing

2131
01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:39,180
together something that really

2132
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,550
incorporates in a lot of the data that

2133
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,440
we have and you don't wind up telling

2134
01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:45,840
stupid stories about how tsunamis

2135
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:48,120
drifted people out in the ocean you know

2136
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:50,100
and those should be the stories that

2137
01:21:52,460 --> 01:21:51,210
people should be actually saying you

2138
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:52,470
know is ridiculous but because of the

2139
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:54,570
appeal to Authority that goes on know

2140
01:21:58,670 --> 01:21:56,730
that something that we could say that

2141
01:22:00,710 --> 01:21:58,680
someone would say ludicrous yeah if an

2142
01:22:03,260 --> 01:22:00,720
academic said it well that seems quite

2143
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:03,270
reasonable you know and then conversely

2144
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:04,770
an academic can say something totally

2145
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:06,450
ludicrous day if you or I came up with

2146
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:09,570
people things so stupid you know it's an

2147
01:22:13,070 --> 01:22:11,730
unfair balance right because you know if

2148
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:13,080
something's ridiculous it's ridiculous

2149
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:14,010
if it doesn't have evidence it doesn't

2150
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:15,450
have evidence it doesn't matter whether

2151
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:17,370
it's a leading academic saying it or

2152
01:22:20,780 --> 01:22:18,930
whether it's us saying it right you know

2153
01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:20,790
that it has to be reasonable it has to

2154
01:22:26,270 --> 01:22:23,460
be supportable yeah so no matter how

2155
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:26,280
wacky things sound the onset as long as

2156
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:28,290
you can go down drill down and say well

2157
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:30,030
actually is reasonable there's support

2158
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,170
you know though it's okay

2159
01:22:35,660 --> 01:22:33,600
you know if it doesn't have that then

2160
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:35,670
rice beliefs and it's just wild beliefs

2161
01:22:38,510 --> 01:22:36,780
you know you can believe a tsunami

2162
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,520
carried people there's no evidence but

2163
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:40,080
you know it's a wild belief that you can

2164
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:43,110
hold if you want to I think people need

2165
01:22:45,710 --> 01:22:44,490
to look at it a bit more like that like

2166
01:22:47,060 --> 01:22:45,720
so you say well what you're saying Bruce

2167
01:22:48,980 --> 01:22:47,070
it's really wild stuff yeah okay but

2168
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,990
it's supportable wild stuff it's not

2169
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,400
stuff that's divorced from real-world

2170
01:22:54,260 --> 01:22:52,560
evidence I mean and and why don't we

2171
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:54,270
talk about the hrs but it's not just

2172
01:22:57,170 --> 01:22:55,800
that I mean I could go away say okay

2173
01:22:58,490 --> 01:22:57,180
well you know you'd found these

2174
01:23:00,410 --> 01:22:58,500
differences for a chimp and it was

2175
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:00,420
really weird you know okay but it's not

2176
01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:02,340
I mean there's there's far more than

2177
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,660
that I know the member was trying but I

2178
01:23:07,670 --> 01:23:05,640
said that you know we've got genes that

2179
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:07,680
literally appear out of the non-coding

2180
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:09,300
DNA you know these academics trolly say

2181
01:23:13,700 --> 01:23:11,730
just appear suddenly fully formed out of

2182
01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:13,710
the non-coding DNA and happen to give us

2183
01:23:17,060 --> 01:23:15,420
you know the neocortex or something you

2184
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:17,070
know and there's another oh this one it

2185
01:23:21,650 --> 01:23:19,890
looks like it's been cut copied and put

2186
01:23:23,210 --> 01:23:21,660
back in a guy says Xerox looks like it's

2187
01:23:24,260 --> 01:23:23,220
been xeroxed you know with us and I

2188
01:23:25,970 --> 01:23:24,270
couldn't use a term like he's been

2189
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:25,980
xeroxed you know are they trying to tell

2190
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:27,420
us something because to me that's an

2191
01:23:32,090 --> 01:23:29,640
implicitly strange thing to say it looks

2192
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:32,100
like it's being taken out Xerox put back

2193
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:34,410
in what you trying to tell me here and

2194
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:36,570
then elsewhere you've got this fusion of

2195
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:39,330
chromosome 2 which yes chromosomes

2196
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:40,650
confused but this one is fused on an

2197
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:42,360
active gene which is to do with our

2198
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:44,370
reproduction system immune system our

2199
01:23:48,350 --> 01:23:47,250
brain again the brain and then you find

2200
01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:48,360
all these anomalies between us and

2201
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:49,740
chimps they're all clustering in the

2202
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:52,050
brain right what's the chances you say a

2203
01:23:55,580 --> 01:23:54,120
random mutation random mutation well I

2204
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,590
would expect see changing the kidneys

2205
01:24:00,530 --> 01:23:57,360
the leg you know the stomach the eyes

2206
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:00,540
right that's random like hundreds of

2207
01:24:05,210 --> 01:24:02,370
changes that give us our brain our

2208
01:24:07,340 --> 01:24:05,220
modern complex supercomputer brain that

2209
01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:07,350
doesn't look random anymore and when you

2210
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,760
find they're not just in the genes

2211
01:24:12,860 --> 01:24:11,280
they're in these switches as well and

2212
01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:12,870
that you know throughout the system

2213
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:14,910
you're finding what looks like bizarre

2214
01:24:19,310 --> 01:24:17,310
changes throughout the genetic system

2215
01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:19,320
like that have gone about creating your

2216
01:24:24,980 --> 01:24:21,960
brain and this brain is not a clear

2217
01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:24,990
advantage when it first begins now it we

2218
01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:28,140
can say it is but we lost energy going

2219
01:24:31,060 --> 01:24:29,270
to our muscles

2220
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:31,070
right at a time when we are fighting

2221
01:24:36,330 --> 01:24:34,130
tooth and claw to survive what was the

2222
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,340
benefit of this fledgling brain

2223
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:39,440
reproduction reproduction is a real it's

2224
01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:42,290
real hindrance is a hindrance suddenly

2225
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:43,310
you've got you've got all the other

2226
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:44,570
creeps around you again you know

2227
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,890
essentially becomes stronger because

2228
01:24:50,110 --> 01:24:47,840
you're becoming weaker and you're yet to

2229
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:50,120
develop even stone tools or you know

2230
01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:51,770
bows and arrows you've got nothing

2231
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:53,390
particularly that's compensating so

2232
01:24:57,130 --> 01:24:55,130
suddenly you're you're a weakening

2233
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:57,140
creature giving energy to a calorie

2234
01:25:02,410 --> 01:24:59,360
hungry brain and then you have a larger

2235
01:25:05,950 --> 01:25:02,420
head that will help keep a spinal canal

2236
01:25:08,020 --> 01:25:05,960
there's more blood birth then you know

2237
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:08,030
so that guess that's easy it weirdly

2238
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:09,890
fixed as well because then we become

2239
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:12,290
highly neoteny right creature which

2240
01:25:17,410 --> 01:25:14,690
means that we retain the characteristics

2241
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:17,420
of an unborn fetus when we're born we're

2242
01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:19,010
essentially a fetus right so they've

2243
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:21,260
gone around the problem by making us be

2244
01:25:24,490 --> 01:25:23,210
born earlier and then the brain

2245
01:25:26,020 --> 01:25:24,500
continues to develop at the same rate

2246
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:26,030
outside the womb and again these are

2247
01:25:31,930 --> 01:25:28,550
suspicious strange changes you know and

2248
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:31,940
we have and they're suspicious for a

2249
01:25:34,630 --> 01:25:33,050
couple of reasons we're just going to

2250
01:25:37,230 --> 01:25:34,640
jam a bunch of stuff in here at the end

2251
01:25:39,490 --> 01:25:37,240
but like hey you know you go watch your

2252
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:39,500
National Geographic show and you see the

2253
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:41,330
little deer that's born in an hour later

2254
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:43,610
they're off and running around okay that

2255
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:45,260
doesn't exactly help with humans you

2256
01:25:50,380 --> 01:25:47,690
know they go so that's not really their

2257
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:50,390
close relatives the chimps are and they

2258
01:25:53,980 --> 01:25:52,130
if you look at the the agony of

2259
01:25:55,930 --> 01:25:53,990
childbirth and the deaths in childbirth

2260
01:25:57,610 --> 01:25:55,940
amongst humans versus chimps and other

2261
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:57,620
primates they don't really have those

2262
01:26:01,450 --> 01:25:59,600
problems they don't really have them

2263
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,460
they have a shorter childbirth it's very

2264
01:26:05,260 --> 01:26:02,960
rare for them to die and it's usually

2265
01:26:07,540 --> 01:26:05,270
not agonizingly painful and there's

2266
01:26:09,460 --> 01:26:07,550
sweets of strange errors as well not

2267
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:09,470
just upgrades you know but strange

2268
01:26:13,570 --> 01:26:10,910
errors particularly in our reproductive

2269
01:26:15,490 --> 01:26:13,580
systems you know so I mean 54 if women

2270
01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:15,500
how they feel like oh I'm cursed by God

2271
01:26:19,780 --> 01:26:17,720
or saying I gotta be prob no there's

2272
01:26:22,180 --> 01:26:19,790
weird errors that mean that we are

2273
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,190
handicapped in that and you know it's so

2274
01:26:26,350 --> 01:26:24,560
common to have spontaneous abortion you

2275
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,360
know in early stages and difficulty

2276
01:26:30,190 --> 01:26:27,920
pregnancy and they found the little

2277
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:30,200
loads of strange genetic anomalies which

2278
01:26:34,330 --> 01:26:31,850
are different to the other primates

2279
01:26:36,220 --> 01:26:34,340
right we've shown exist in us and some

2280
01:26:39,310 --> 01:26:36,230
of these are very baffling changes

2281
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,320
because the end of a reproduction is the

2282
01:26:42,970 --> 01:26:41,600
key is their sake that you would develop

2283
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:42,980
a change in your da

2284
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:45,170
that makes you less able to reproduce

2285
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:48,770
and yes it persists is a bizarre anomaly

2286
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:51,770
you're actually worsening as a species

2287
01:26:55,630 --> 01:26:53,840
technically versus everyone else and yet

2288
01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:55,640
those things are persisting so there

2289
01:27:00,400 --> 01:26:58,070
must be benefits that came alongside the

2290
01:27:03,220 --> 01:27:00,410
time that those horrible mutations

2291
01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:03,230
happened well and that could take us in

2292
01:27:06,730 --> 01:27:05,030
the wrong way I mean I exact what you're

2293
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:06,740
saying but not necessarily benefits

2294
01:27:11,290 --> 01:27:08,300
that's what we say it could be from the

2295
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:11,300
outside someone is saying I want to

2296
01:27:15,820 --> 01:27:13,490
engineer it this way so the gardener

2297
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,830
isn't messes that the gardeners benefits

2298
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,080
aren't nature's benefits together

2299
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,560
yeah not mix those two together because

2300
01:27:24,670 --> 01:27:22,400
benefits we talked about natural

2301
01:27:25,930 --> 01:27:24,680
selection and tribal I'm not talking

2302
01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:25,940
about those kind of benefits we're just

2303
01:27:29,620 --> 01:27:27,800
talking about someone wanted it that way

2304
01:27:31,090 --> 01:27:29,630
well it could be because you think if

2305
01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:31,100
you have genetic changes that are done

2306
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:32,990
they may have more than one effect so

2307
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:35,330
let's say that they do confer a benefit

2308
01:27:39,730 --> 01:27:37,250
to you somewhere else in your system but

2309
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:39,740
they come with a horrible negative right

2310
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:41,510
well you know you end up with some other

2311
01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:44,030
problem but because the advantage was so

2312
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:46,910
good you go on carrying the damage as

2313
01:27:49,930 --> 01:27:48,770
well with it right so this is a problem

2314
01:27:51,970 --> 01:27:49,940
you won't any work it will take a long

2315
01:27:53,290 --> 01:27:51,980
time to fix that and we haven't had long

2316
01:27:55,180 --> 01:27:53,300
enough so if you think these are various

2317
01:27:57,070 --> 01:27:55,190
really happened 780 thousand years ago

2318
01:27:59,470 --> 01:27:57,080
eeveelutions not had enough time to

2319
01:28:01,540 --> 01:27:59,480
address all of these problems right so

2320
01:28:02,830 --> 01:28:01,550
there are things that mail the time we

2321
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:02,840
all start to see some of these things

2322
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:04,880
fade but it takes a long time you know

2323
01:28:08,590 --> 01:28:06,290
equation is a they say the blind

2324
01:28:10,030 --> 01:28:08,600
watchmaker however you know it doesn't

2325
01:28:11,950 --> 01:28:10,040
go anything more let's just fix these

2326
01:28:15,010 --> 01:28:11,960
errors you know people have to die off

2327
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:15,020
because of that etc you know so we we

2328
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:16,310
may find that what's happened is

2329
01:28:19,450 --> 01:28:18,110
alongside the upgrades some of these

2330
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:19,460
things came along with it but the

2331
01:28:24,490 --> 01:28:22,370
upgrades were so you say beneficial that

2332
01:28:26,620 --> 01:28:24,500
they have compensated for the downgrade

2333
01:28:28,090 --> 01:28:26,630
elements right and that again is an

2334
01:28:30,370 --> 01:28:28,100
anomaly these people you can look and

2335
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:30,380
say well yeah why would we evolved have

2336
01:28:34,510 --> 01:28:33,440
you know a more difficult reproductive

2337
01:28:36,190 --> 01:28:34,520
system you know it doesn't really

2338
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:36,200
function properly versus all the other

2339
01:28:40,030 --> 01:28:38,330
primates I mean you know this stuff like

2340
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:40,040
that that I'd like people to also folks

2341
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:41,600
I'm not just oh we got a bigger brain

2342
01:28:46,510 --> 01:28:43,850
and that's the anomaly like no no this

2343
01:28:51,610 --> 01:28:46,520
there's a large list of anomalies in the

2344
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:51,620
human genome well Bruce we could go on

2345
01:28:56,260 --> 01:28:54,650
and on there's so much that people are

2346
01:28:57,020 --> 01:28:56,270
going to want to check out on all three

2347
01:28:59,900 --> 01:28:57,030
of those books then

2348
01:29:02,060 --> 01:28:59,910
newest book I have up on the screen XO

2349
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:02,070
Genesis hybrid humans please go

2350
01:29:06,140 --> 01:29:04,170
pre-ordered it's not out for a few more

2351
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,150
months but it does a good job of pulling

2352
01:29:11,210 --> 01:29:08,880
together a lot of the information from

2353
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:11,220
the other two books and largely your

2354
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:14,010
work which people can find tell us how

2355
01:29:19,070 --> 01:29:16,890
people can catch up with and stay up

2356
01:29:21,290 --> 01:29:19,080
with what you're doing and what you're

2357
01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:21,300
doing next and how we're going to get

2358
01:29:25,130 --> 01:29:22,710
more of this information out because you

2359
01:29:27,620 --> 01:29:25,140
and I have to have to make sure that

2360
01:29:30,740 --> 01:29:27,630
this gets out to as many people as we

2361
01:29:33,170 --> 01:29:30,750
can and for people who I didn't do my

2362
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:33,180
job at the beginning of this show I said

2363
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,250
I was gonna shoot down your theories and

2364
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:37,440
I just fell into making it a big love

2365
01:29:41,210 --> 01:29:38,010
fest

2366
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:41,220
and I apologize everyone who's listening

2367
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,490
so please shoot this guy down tell him

2368
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:46,080
where he's wrong tell me where he's

2369
01:29:49,820 --> 01:29:48,090
wrong straighten me out cuz I fell for

2370
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:49,830
the hot fallin for it hook line and

2371
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:51,930
sinker I think it's hugely important so

2372
01:29:56,780 --> 01:29:54,090
correct me on that but I digress Chris

2373
01:30:00,440 --> 01:29:56,790
tell us where we can follow what you do

2374
01:30:02,780 --> 01:30:00,450
yeah I mean if the people catch up with

2375
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:02,790
me I'm generally on Twitter they'll find

2376
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:06,330
me there and extra Genesis my handle

2377
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:08,880
there also I am on Facebook I don't use

2378
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:10,770
it an awful lot I've websites bruce

2379
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:13,490
fenton tour info hybrid humorous net

2380
01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:17,610
ancient news net and net which i control

2381
01:30:23,180 --> 01:30:21,900
all of those i recently been on ancient

2382
01:30:26,330 --> 01:30:23,190
aliens and i believe i'm in another

2383
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:26,340
episode coming up fairly soon and i

2384
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:28,380
should be a contact in the desert next

2385
01:30:31,790 --> 01:30:30,210
year all being well see that's a few

2386
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,800
months away so people wanna see me there

2387
01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:33,840
I'm based in the UK obviously so I'm not

2388
01:30:36,650 --> 01:30:35,310
in the US a lot so that'd be an

2389
01:30:39,170 --> 01:30:36,660
opportunity for people to come and you

2390
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,180
know thank me or shout at me to penny on

2391
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:41,760
what they feel about this and yeah I

2392
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:43,170
guess you have that's probably the best

2393
01:30:47,690 --> 01:30:45,330
places to which you follow me and if

2394
01:30:49,580 --> 01:30:47,700
anyone has an equal to feedback also

2395
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:49,590
ideas how to get the information out you

2396
01:30:54,830 --> 01:30:52,560
know I'd appreciate that as well well

2397
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:54,840
awesome it's been just terrific having

2398
01:30:59,540 --> 01:30:56,970
you on and and interacting with young

2399
01:31:02,600 --> 01:30:59,550
forum has been great too so I know we'll

2400
01:31:06,050 --> 01:31:02,610
stay in touch thanks again so much thank

2401
01:31:07,290 --> 01:31:06,060
you risking brilliant thanks a lot all

2402
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:07,300
right buddy

2403
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:10,930
so I don't know I don't know if if I if

2404
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:14,020
I did the job here but hey I would love

2405
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:18,010
to here it is I want to help get this

2406
01:31:25,410 --> 01:31:20,770
out I'm totally sincere about that tell

2407
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:25,420
me who's been approaching you that I can

2408
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:28,870
help make some kind of you know mini

2409
01:31:33,540 --> 01:31:32,080
documentary or film or something you

2410
01:31:34,770 --> 01:31:33,550
must know some people I know you know

2411
01:31:36,090 --> 01:31:34,780
some people have come to you and said

2412
01:31:38,370 --> 01:31:36,100
Bruce this is important

2413
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:38,380
let me help make that happen well I

2414
01:31:42,150 --> 01:31:40,450
don't I mean my my literary agent has

2415
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:42,160
tried he's reached out to a company we

2416
01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:43,810
tried I'm Prometheus because of ancient

2417
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:46,630
aliens you know they passed on it I

2418
01:31:49,410 --> 01:31:47,920
think perhaps because they feel like

2419
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:49,420
some of the they haven't said why but I

2420
01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:50,710
suppose some of the topics in it they've

2421
01:31:56,220 --> 01:31:52,120
covered in other episodes so maybe they

2422
01:31:58,830 --> 01:31:56,230
they didn't want to also he's I think

2423
01:32:00,840 --> 01:31:58,840
he's tried a couple of other production

2424
01:32:03,150 --> 01:32:00,850
companies but we haven't at the moment

2425
01:32:04,830 --> 01:32:03,160
got anyone I tried reaching out to Gaea

2426
01:32:06,540 --> 01:32:04,840
because I know that they cover

2427
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:06,550
strangeness and they said they're they

2428
01:32:09,660 --> 01:32:07,690
don't say at the moment they're not

2429
01:32:10,770 --> 01:32:09,670
taking external stuff it's just you know

2430
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:10,780
whatever they're come up with in-house

2431
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:13,600
to to do they've said look that might

2432
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:16,450
change we might come back to you so no

2433
01:32:19,740 --> 01:32:17,920
there's nothing I really think it needs

2434
01:32:23,190 --> 01:32:19,750
to be in a visual format to be honest

2435
01:32:25,770 --> 01:32:23,200
and I don't at this point have anyone to

2436
01:32:28,980 --> 01:32:25,780
do that I'm gonna probably try to do

2437
01:32:30,750 --> 01:32:28,990
some video or YouTube or something to

2438
01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:30,760
try and get some aphasia but it really

2439
01:32:35,390 --> 01:32:33,490
needs to have a professional documentary

2440
01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:35,400
team or someway put this together

2441
01:32:42,330 --> 01:32:40,270
agreed well let's just put some let's

2442
01:32:45,780 --> 01:32:42,340
just put some thought and energy into it

2443
01:32:48,450 --> 01:32:45,790
and so I'm interested in helping fund

2444
01:32:50,970 --> 01:32:48,460
that I'm not interested I'm not worried

2445
01:32:53,250 --> 01:32:50,980
about the return on it I'm interested in

2446
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:53,260
the information reaching people so

2447
01:33:00,060 --> 01:32:55,690
please consider me for as a resource in

2448
01:33:01,860 --> 01:33:00,070
that way and I will try and you know few

2449
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:01,870
ideas about how that can be done or even

2450
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:04,690
an initial teaser promo kind of show

2451
01:33:07,410 --> 01:33:06,130
where we give some you know anything

2452
01:33:10,230 --> 01:33:07,420
that could give you know I realized

2453
01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:10,240
visual format as well as course you know

2454
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:11,710
a lot people now downloading you know

2455
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:13,090
audio but I mean you know those are the

2456
01:33:16,230 --> 01:33:14,530
two formats I don't really cover very

2457
01:33:17,790 --> 01:33:16,240
well obviously pop interviews that

2458
01:33:19,470 --> 01:33:17,800
they're you know that there's a lot of

2459
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:19,480
people who won't have this infrahuman

2460
01:33:23,310 --> 01:33:21,250
online that say well hey

2461
01:33:25,260 --> 01:33:23,320
because it's not audible or it's not on

2462
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:25,270
YouTube that they haven't really

2463
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:28,570
accessed it so I mean yeah any ideas you

2464
01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:30,010
have about ways to address the interface

2465
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:32,470
in small serialized parts dealing with

2466
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:35,110
aspects of it or you know anything like

2467
01:33:39,570 --> 01:33:36,610
that or if you know if you know people

2468
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:39,580
that do that you know or you know a

2469
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,770
little to this I guess this is people

2470
01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:43,360
that can be hired to come and feel me

2471
01:33:46,590 --> 01:33:44,830
and you can whatever make you know

2472
01:33:48,030 --> 01:33:46,600
interviews about it but anything like

2473
01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:48,040
that you know where this is interviews

2474
01:33:52,290 --> 01:33:50,380
or a full documentary or you know I

2475
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:52,300
don't know I mean but yeah the moment my

2476
01:33:56,460 --> 01:33:54,130
resources just aren't there to do it as

2477
01:33:58,710 --> 01:33:56,470
I said yeah yeah that's my problem is

2478
01:34:00,750 --> 01:33:58,720
that you know we'll get it done we'll

2479
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:00,760
figure out a way to get it done it's

2480
01:34:05,970 --> 01:34:04,000
just - it's it's it's it hits all the

2481
01:34:08,190 --> 01:34:05,980
buttons it's like the most important

2482
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:08,200
thing and it's super interesting it's

2483
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:10,330
and it's like cinema graphic you know I

2484
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:12,850
mean we'll get it done all right my man

2485
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:15,370
okay that's I mean I appreciate you

2486
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:16,770
anything you come up with as I say

2487
01:34:22,830 --> 01:34:20,050
really cool and you know yeah I hope

2488
01:34:25,170 --> 01:34:22,840
hope it'll get out there you know I hope

2489
01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:25,180
we'll to do the more esoteric one

2490
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:28,750
another time - Stephanie now we will in

2491
01:34:34,110 --> 01:34:31,360
I'll just figure out a way to you know

2492
01:34:36,630 --> 01:34:34,120
I'll either I'm a trig by this other

2493
01:34:40,020 --> 01:34:36,640
idea you know we might just move as

2494
01:34:42,630 --> 01:34:40,030
quick as I can okay yeah yeah let me

2495
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:42,640
know I mean I say I'm open to I'm in

2496
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:44,110
whatever format if you have ideas or

2497
01:34:47,940 --> 01:34:46,480
different formats that might work then

2498
01:34:51,090 --> 01:34:47,950
yeah we can definitely have a look at it

2499
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:51,100
yeah great I don't have any goal other

2500
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:53,050
than to help you get out there so we

2501
01:34:58,050 --> 01:34:55,600
just working yeah I'm I'm struggled for

2502
01:34:59,900 --> 01:34:58,060
that yeah even just to get the press to

2503
01:35:02,010 --> 01:34:59,910
cover the inter Africa thing you know

2504
01:35:04,050 --> 01:35:02,020
they go yeah you know one you know

2505
01:35:05,970 --> 01:35:04,060
Forbes did one ask or deleted it in

2506
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:05,980
three hours so I mean at the moment my

2507
01:35:11,820 --> 01:35:09,850
access to the greater media is just the

2508
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:11,830
kindness of various radio show hosts

2509
01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:14,170
really and a few guest articles on

2510
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:16,390
independent you know media so that's

2511
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:17,770
here and obviously that's not going to

2512
01:35:24,990 --> 01:35:24,130
reach enough people so thank you my

2513
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:25,000
speech again soon

2514
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:27,250
okay back just to get the bike thanks

2515
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:28,930
again to bruce fenton for joining me

2516
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:32,050
today on skeptical as you can tell I was

2517
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:35,010
quite enthusiastic about Bruce

2518
01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:39,030
his theories in his research so I have

2519
01:35:46,810 --> 01:35:42,420
one basic question to tee up what if

2520
01:35:48,890 --> 01:35:46,820
Bruce and Daniella Fenton are right now

2521
01:35:50,450 --> 01:35:48,900
one of the reasons I have to tell you I

2522
01:35:53,569 --> 01:35:50,460
was so enthusiastic about this interview

2523
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:53,579
is because all of the great input I got

2524
01:35:58,220 --> 01:35:56,159
from sceptical listeners through the

2525
01:35:59,720 --> 01:35:58,230
skeptical forum before this interview

2526
01:36:01,100 --> 01:35:59,730
and I'm hoping we can pick up that

2527
01:36:03,169 --> 01:36:01,110
dialogue now that this interview is

2528
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,179
published because I plan on doing a lot

2529
01:36:08,419 --> 01:36:06,000
more with Bruce and Daniela because I

2530
01:36:12,830 --> 01:36:08,429
think the question the hypothesis the

2531
01:36:15,890 --> 01:36:12,840
research that they propose is incredibly

2532
01:36:18,799 --> 01:36:15,900
important if it's true if and only if

2533
01:36:22,339 --> 01:36:18,809
it's inquiry to perpetuate doubt

2534
01:36:23,810 --> 01:36:22,349
sceptical style true so dear join me

2535
01:36:26,740 --> 01:36:23,820
over in the skeptical forum tell me what

2536
01:36:30,020 --> 01:36:26,750
you think tell me how we would go about

2537
01:36:31,939 --> 01:36:30,030
nudging towards the truth on this and

2538
01:36:33,979 --> 01:36:31,949
then while you're there of course check

2539
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:33,989
out skeptical website where you'll find

2540
01:36:39,919 --> 01:36:37,130
all these shows and all our other shows

2541
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:39,929
420 or whatever of them available for

2542
01:36:44,359 --> 01:36:42,449
free download on mp3 and download them

2543
01:36:47,390 --> 01:36:44,369
share them with other people you think

2544
01:36:50,180 --> 01:36:47,400
would be interested in hearing this and

2545
01:36:52,669 --> 01:36:50,190
I hope you do that so again you're gonna

2546
01:36:54,919 --> 01:36:52,679
hear more from Bruce and Daniela so

2547
01:36:57,770 --> 01:36:54,929
stick around for that and stick around

2548
01:36:59,930 --> 01:36:57,780
for some pretty interesting other shows

2549
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,940
I'm down playing I have some really good

2550
01:37:03,589 --> 01:37:02,159
interesting shows coming up and some

2551
01:37:05,959 --> 01:37:03,599
that are less interesting but some

2552
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:05,969
really good ones stick around for all of